Considering It...!
Discussion
Having sold my Tamora in September, I now find myself with a serious itch to buy a Cerb! My dad had one when I was younger, which was nothing but problems - a 99 car which I think had 3 rebuilds in his ownership and cost him more to fix than to buy in the first place! I bought the Tamora having already had a TVR Power rebuild, which is what I'd do if i bought a cerb, so I probably wouldn't be too worried about the engine going pop. How much different would it be to the Tam though, I found the Tam a bit tame but I know the cerb's a different beast. With some decent dampers and geo setup, how hard are they to drive fast, and how controllable are they on the limit? I understand the clutches are also harder than those on the Tam? Just looking for some thoughts on how different it'd be and how hard they are to live with - though I feel I may go for it anyway as they've gotta be the most gorgeous cars on the road!
Cheers!
Dom
Cheers!
Dom
Just buy a V8 (4.2 or 4.5, both engines are awesome ) and then you'll find out for yourself
With the correct setup and good tyres they are easy to drive, I've just got from a spirited mountain drive and I am still smiling even though the car is tucked up in the garage.
Obviously you have to respect though otherwise it'll bite you back, hard.
Buy on condition and not age, unless you must have digital milage!
With the correct setup and good tyres they are easy to drive, I've just got from a spirited mountain drive and I am still smiling even though the car is tucked up in the garage.
Obviously you have to respect though otherwise it'll bite you back, hard.
Buy on condition and not age, unless you must have digital milage!
I'm actually looking at an S6 at the moment, I loved the engine in the Tam and with a decent rebuild I think it should be pretty reliable! Just wondering what to expect really when compared to the Tam, which was really progressive and wouldnt bite too hard even in the rain (was nice and progressive) though that did have Nitrons and SP12's. Is a cerb with nitrons/gaz etc and a decent geo setup nice and progressive, or are they still pretty tricky on the limit? Dads always suffered from heatsoak in the cabin - does a decat help or are there any heatshields available? Is the clutch really going to be much heavier than the Tamoras?
Cheers!
Dom
Cheers!
Dom
I've fitted heatshielding to mine and also removed the cats - makes a great deal of difference.
If you want something a little less tame (!?) than the Tam though, aren't you better off looking at the V8? The S6 cars alsoo had softer suspension and a slower rack. Can't complain at all about the handling. There's lots of grunt, but the car is very predictable at the limit - longer wheelbase than other Tivs probably helps.
If you want something a little less tame (!?) than the Tam though, aren't you better off looking at the V8? The S6 cars alsoo had softer suspension and a slower rack. Can't complain at all about the handling. There's lots of grunt, but the car is very predictable at the limit - longer wheelbase than other Tivs probably helps.
Cheers for the reply! What did you make your heat shielding from, and was it hard to do? Sounds like a good solution, together with the decats!
I don't think I really meant less 'tame'....i loved the Tamora because it was so useable, despite having A008 (I think; the cut slick type) it was great to drive even in the rain, where you could provoke it into nice controllable slides. I guess that's whats making me look at S6 cerbs, the smoothness and slightly more soft side when compared to the V8s.
I think assuming I can find one with a good rebuild, I'd go for the S6 with a decent set of shocks. How different are they in terms of handling when compared to the Tamora/T350? I'm no Schumacher but have had a few powerful RWD cars now (inc Tam) and do enjoy provoking them from time to time, I was just worried that the cerb might be just grip grip grip then in the trees!
Cheers!
Dom
I don't think I really meant less 'tame'....i loved the Tamora because it was so useable, despite having A008 (I think; the cut slick type) it was great to drive even in the rain, where you could provoke it into nice controllable slides. I guess that's whats making me look at S6 cerbs, the smoothness and slightly more soft side when compared to the V8s.
I think assuming I can find one with a good rebuild, I'd go for the S6 with a decent set of shocks. How different are they in terms of handling when compared to the Tamora/T350? I'm no Schumacher but have had a few powerful RWD cars now (inc Tam) and do enjoy provoking them from time to time, I was just worried that the cerb might be just grip grip grip then in the trees!
Cheers!
Dom
I used Nimbus II heat shielding - a bit like a sort of soft alloy bubble wrap. It's easy to shape and I fitted it using cv boot ties. Fitting was very easy for me as I did it when the engine and box was out - probably a bit trickier but doable with everything in place.
I find the cerb very predictable. I have no experience of the S6, but the V8 has masses of accesssible torque and is quite easy to overdrive. Like most cars though, a lot comes down to how good the geometry and tyres are!
I find the cerb very predictable. I have no experience of the S6, but the V8 has masses of accesssible torque and is quite easy to overdrive. Like most cars though, a lot comes down to how good the geometry and tyres are!
I'm not really sure what I meant by tame...I loved the engine because it was so smooth and obviously sounded incredible, but yeah maybe I do need a V8 now! Engines aside, is the clutch likely to be much heavier than the Tamora? It's good to hear that they're progressive (geo/tyres/suspension dependant) - I'd probably upgrade the suspension, ensure it was on decent tyres and get it fully geo'd anyway. And some driver training I expect - I did some in the Tam (RideDrive) including a couple of hours on an empty proving ground which was great.
I'm looking at a year 2000 car at the moment - I understand that the 98/99 cars were the worst for chassis rust, but is this something that be checked by a keen DIY'er with the car on the ground, or is it definitely worth getting it professionally checked out?
Cheers!
Dom
I'm looking at a year 2000 car at the moment - I understand that the 98/99 cars were the worst for chassis rust, but is this something that be checked by a keen DIY'er with the car on the ground, or is it definitely worth getting it professionally checked out?
Cheers!
Dom
Zeemax_Mini said:
I'm not really sure what I meant by tame...I loved the engine because it was so smooth and obviously sounded incredible, but yeah maybe I do need a V8 now! Engines aside, is the clutch likely to be much heavier than the Tamora? It's good to hear that they're progressive (geo/tyres/suspension dependant) - I'd probably upgrade the suspension, ensure it was on decent tyres and get it fully geo'd anyway. And some driver training I expect - I did some in the Tam (RideDrive) including a couple of hours on an empty proving ground which was great.
I'm looking at a year 2000 car at the moment - I understand that the 98/99 cars were the worst for chassis rust, but is this something that be checked by a keen DIY'er with the car on the ground, or is it definitely worth getting it professionally checked out?
Cheers!
Dom
I wasn't dissing the S6, but just suggesting a change of engine, my clutch is heavy, so i'm currently saving to replace it because i know what's comingI'm looking at a year 2000 car at the moment - I understand that the 98/99 cars were the worst for chassis rust, but is this something that be checked by a keen DIY'er with the car on the ground, or is it definitely worth getting it professionally checked out?
Cheers!
Dom
Mine had Nitrons when i bought it and i thought it handled well however once RaceProved had rebuilt the steering rack, 4 wheel laser aligned it, cornerweighted it etc etc it was a different animal, therefore get it checked by someone that can get it on a ramp, outriggers, fuel pipes, coolant pipes and other things i know nowt about itiejim said:
S6 and AJP clutches are the same, so I shouldn't let that sway you!
I didn't drive a Cerbera until the day i collected mine so i assumed all clutches were heavy, if only i'd known then what i know now blahblahblahblahblah (a smiley isn't sufficient this time)
(apart from this one)Is the clutch on the Tamora exactly the same as the Cerb S6? Also will there be a noticable difference between the 3.6 S6 and the 4.0 S6? I'm so bloody tempted - if I can get one with a decent rebuild, recent clutch and upgraded suspension, it should *hopefully* just be electrical niggles and servicing that it needs! It's even got space for the shopping and the missus, who said it was much prettier than the Tamora - must be a good sign!
Dom
Dom
I have a S6 and the clutch is as light as you could wish in a sports car, it is an AP Racing clutch but with a Raceproved diaphragm on it and RP slave cylinder. I don't normally use a clutch as my daily car is clutch less and I use the paddle shift but when I get in the Cerbera it is no problem for me.
I don't know which clutch Pursyluv has in his Cerb but it a hell lot heavier than mine and I can imagine that in traffic it could be a pain.
I don't know which clutch Pursyluv has in his Cerb but it a hell lot heavier than mine and I can imagine that in traffic it could be a pain.
Edited by kevin63 on Saturday 15th May 23:16
kevin63 said:
I have a S6 and the clutch is as light as you could wish in a sports car, it is an AP Racing clutch but with a Raceproved diaphragm on it and RP slave cylinder. I don't normally use a clutch as my daily car is clutch less and I use the paddle shift but when I get in the Cerbera it is no problem for me.
I don't know which clutch Pursyluv has in his Cerb but it a hell lot heavier than mine and I can imagine that in traffic it could be a pain.
Kev, i'll tell which clutch i've got.... one that's not long for this earthI don't know which clutch Pursyluv has in his Cerb but it a hell lot heavier than mine and I can imagine that in traffic it could be a pain.
Edited by kevin63 on Saturday 15th May 23:16
Cheers guys, the clutch on the Tam was beautiful - perfect weight and loads of feel, sounds like the cerb is the same (I'd just heard differently!). Sounds like there's no reason for me not to go for it - the handling was my biggest worry I think, but again it sounds like if it's setup properly then they can be great - I've got family who own a tyre/exhaust chain which does proper laser geo etc which helps in that department!
One thing I was still wondering was about the outriggers/chassis - I mentioned above that I was looking at a 2000 car, is it possible to get a good idea about chassis condition from a DIY inspection or would you all definitely recommend a professional inspection (and what's the rough cost?).
I never really got involved with any events or meets with the Tamora - is this something you all recommend with the Cerbs? I've always tended to shy away from enthusiast meets as I'm fairly young, but it does sound fun!
Cheers!
Dom
One thing I was still wondering was about the outriggers/chassis - I mentioned above that I was looking at a 2000 car, is it possible to get a good idea about chassis condition from a DIY inspection or would you all definitely recommend a professional inspection (and what's the rough cost?).
I never really got involved with any events or meets with the Tamora - is this something you all recommend with the Cerbs? I've always tended to shy away from enthusiast meets as I'm fairly young, but it does sound fun!
Cheers!
Dom
I've never driven a Tamora, only a Chimaera and a Cerbera. I enjoyed driving the Chimaera on twisty B roads that didn't have a perfect road surface, it had good visisibilty and felt very chuckable.
I don't particularly enjoy driving the Cerbera on similar roads. It doesn't feel as chuckable, and doesn't really like bad road surfaces. However get the Cerbera onto a good fast A road,like the ones you get driving doen to the South of France, a smooth surface, with fast sweeping bends, where you can drive it at 120mph plus and you put your foot dowat 120mph and it just takes off, that is when you really begin to appreciate the Cerbera for what it is - a very high performance proper GT supercar.
I don't particularly enjoy driving the Cerbera on similar roads. It doesn't feel as chuckable, and doesn't really like bad road surfaces. However get the Cerbera onto a good fast A road,like the ones you get driving doen to the South of France, a smooth surface, with fast sweeping bends, where you can drive it at 120mph plus and you put your foot dowat 120mph and it just takes off, that is when you really begin to appreciate the Cerbera for what it is - a very high performance proper GT supercar.
I have driven a Tamora and currently own a Cerbera and I have to say the Tamora felt a lot more balanced car than the Cerbera and in my opinion there is only the Sagaris that feels better but saying that I would always choose a Cerb over a Tam as it just has a feel to it that I like.
Cheers for the all the input guys - much appreciated! I appreciate it'll be different to the Tam, which as you say was very balanced and dare I say it even fairly chuckable, though it did have Nitrons. I'd heard that the Cerb was basically impossible to slide safely, and that it wasnt progressive, but it sounds like with a decent setup that isnt the case!
Cheers,
Dom
Cheers,
Dom
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