engine problem help!
engine problem help!
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snookes

Original Poster:

262 posts

312 months

Saturday 15th May 2010
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took the cerb out for a drive, doing 30mph in 4th gear then sudden rattling noise and oil pressure dropped to 20 on the gauge.pulled over and killed engine, had it recovered to local indie he will look at it on tuesday, any body got any ideas what it could be.
crapping myself at the mo
any input appreciated
anthony

ps

it's a 4.2 with an engine rebuild by factory in 2004 and has done 8000 since then.

high52kojak

505 posts

226 months

Saturday 15th May 2010
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Oil pump? Well the keywayed shaft anyway.

itiejim

1,822 posts

234 months

Saturday 15th May 2010
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Sudden rattling doesn't sound good - can you be a bit more descriptive with the sound? Also, what revs were you doing and did the car start running poorly? 20 lbs oil pressure is a bit low, but not necessarily disastrous. Was this 20lbs at tick over - if so, what does you engine normally show?

Fingers crossed.

itiejim

1,822 posts

234 months

Saturday 15th May 2010
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high52kojak said:
Oil pump? Well the keywayed shaft anyway.
Why the rattling though? - couldn't it be (whisper it) broken crank?

longbow

1,610 posts

264 months

Saturday 15th May 2010
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Honest answer is that sounds bad...... mechanical rattling plus loss of oil pressure means something internal within the engine has broken.

high52kojak

505 posts

226 months

Sunday 16th May 2010
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Would the crank break at a steady 30mph though?

itiejim

1,822 posts

234 months

Sunday 16th May 2010
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It's odd, but usually those sorts of breakages occur under low load. I remember years ago returning from having thrashed my poor Triumph Spitfire to within an inch of it's life along a really bumpy, twisty B road. I got home and as I turned into the parking spot the front upright snapped (at about 1 mph) eek Sometimes the loads that we feel we are imposing on things aren't those that the object actually feels. It may be that the crank is subject to a particularly poor harmonic imbalance at a certain engine speed.

I was speaking to Jason at TVR Power about cranks only the other day Apparently, as well as the early small journal cranks which suffered catastrophic failure, some of the early 2.5" ones weren't too clever either He tells me that the first ones (with smaller counterweights) can crack around the big end journals.

Having said all that, hopefully for the OP it's nothing of the sort! Keep us posted.

snookes

Original Poster:

262 posts

312 months

Wednesday 19th May 2010
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doesn't look good, engines coming out next tuesday but the indie i use has done a bit of investigation and the chain at the front of the engine is loose! also the main crank wheel can be rotated by hand 1mm either way, so not looking good

anthony

itiejim

1,822 posts

234 months

Wednesday 19th May 2010
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Anthony, sorry to hear the news; I understand that your Indie is removing the engine, but have you considered who's going to rebuild it?

Having just rebuilt my own engine and uncovered and remedied the horrors created by a previous "expert" I would want to ensure that the work was done by someone who has a really credible reputation for building these engines. Off the top of my head, APM, Austec Straight8, or TVR Power.

Alternatively, do it yourself and you'll know what's been done!

schimg

1,923 posts

282 months

Wednesday 19th May 2010
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snookes said:
doesn't look good, engines coming out next tuesday but the indie i use has done a bit of investigation and the chain at the front of the engine is loose! also the main crank wheel can be rotated by hand 1mm either way, so not looking good

anthony
Anthony...echo what I said on the regional forum....really sorry to hear of this..thought yours had sorted engine in her too...good luck with it...give me a bell if you think I can help in any way.

Steve


APB_V8

57 posts

211 months

Wednesday 19th May 2010
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Before my crank snapped I would hear a knocking noise, like a CVJ was on the way out, when turning left off islands (I spent the weeks before the big bang driving round in circles in the local car parks trying to work out which one was failing) In fact the crank took the spacer off one of the shells when coming off an island and the engine made a lot more than a rattling noise! I thought I had blown the big ends due to a oil failure at the time.

Fingers crossed your rattling noise is not that bad.

Andrew

stuthemong

2,532 posts

246 months

Wednesday 19th May 2010
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this isn't the sort of thread you want to read before going to be, nightmares for me!

Good luck, dude. Take the opportunity to get it all dyanmically balanced & uprated clutch too so at least you can take something from the pain biggrin

snookes

Original Poster:

262 posts

312 months

Tuesday 25th May 2010
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well a bit of an update on engine

the camshaft has snapped! do not know why yet but it's snapped near to the chain, there are three tiny holes drilled into it 120' degrees apart, it's snapped across where the holes are.any ideas?

anthony

M3John

5,974 posts

248 months

Tuesday 25th May 2010
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snookes said:
well a bit of an update on engine

the camshaft has snapped! do not know why yet but it's snapped near to the chain, there are three tiny holes drilled into it 120' degrees apart, it's snapped across where the holes are.any ideas?

anthony
What you need then sir is someone then with a good set of 4.2 cams. wink

Edited by M3John on Tuesday 25th May 22:32

snookes

Original Poster:

262 posts

312 months

Wednesday 26th May 2010
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M3John said:
snookes said:
well a bit of an update on engine

the camshaft has snapped! do not know why yet but it's snapped near to the chain, there are three tiny holes drilled into it 120' degrees apart, it's snapped across where the holes are.any ideas?

anthony
What you need then sir is someone then with a good set of 4.2 cams. wink

Edited by M3John on Tuesday 25th May 22:32
tell me more sir!

M3John

5,974 posts

248 months

Wednesday 26th May 2010
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itiejim

1,822 posts

234 months

Wednesday 26th May 2010
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If the cam has snapped though, there's every chance that pistons have met valves with resultant disaster eek

At the very least you need to do a compression check, I'd be amazed if it isn't an engine out & rebuild job though... Someone on here was selling some new pistons - Ridds?

longbow

1,610 posts

264 months

Wednesday 26th May 2010
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Yup, high lift cam + high compression engine + almost certain valve to piston interference. Also, has the cam sprocket been displaced? If so, the other bank will have suffered similar issues.

snookes

Original Poster:

262 posts

312 months

Wednesday 26th May 2010
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yes engines coming out over the next couple of days to see what other damage has been done

fingers crossed

anthony

VPower

3,598 posts

223 months

Wednesday 26th May 2010
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Bad news about 4.2 cams yet again.

This I think is the 4th reported on here.

So does the 4.5 suffer the same problem??
As mine is running so good that I