Le Mans 1955 Disaster documantary
Le Mans 1955 Disaster documantary
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entropy

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6,441 posts

232 months

Sunday 16th May 2010
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BBC4, tonight at 9pm

Chris944_S2

2,063 posts

252 months

Sunday 16th May 2010
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Thanks for the heads up!

DJC

23,563 posts

265 months

Sunday 16th May 2010
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This documentary lacks any sort of passion, depth, soul.

jonnylayze

1,640 posts

255 months

Sunday 16th May 2010
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full of all sorts of inaccuracies.

badly written and narrated by someone without any idea of what they are talking about

DJC

23,563 posts

265 months

Sunday 16th May 2010
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Its almost painful.

jonnylayze

1,640 posts

255 months

Sunday 16th May 2010
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Hang on - have they made the documentary without using footage of the actual race?

BP made a film of the whole thing - in colour. I have it on VHS

DJC

23,563 posts

265 months

Sunday 16th May 2010
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That D-TYpe wasnt putting out 290 in '55. Add another 20-30 ponies.

nonplussed

3,338 posts

258 months

Sunday 16th May 2010
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It's pitifully bad. I turned it off when they claimed that Le Mans "was, and remains, the longest citcuit in the world".

DJC

23,563 posts

265 months

Sunday 16th May 2010
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Just risked the wrath of my wife by making her put her Vampire Diaries book down she has been slavishly reading and made her watch the crash footage.

jonnylayze

1,640 posts

255 months

Sunday 16th May 2010
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Just for the record Jaguar did not withdraw soon after the crash - they ran a works team at Le Mans in 1956....

It just goes to show that you shouldn't believe everythign you read - or watch...

FourWheelDrift

92,251 posts

313 months

Sunday 16th May 2010
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DJC said:
That D-TYpe wasnt putting out 290 in '55. Add another 20-30 ponies.
The 1955 D-Type was never over 300, it wasn't putting out 290 either.

In 1955 it used the same 45 mm Weber carburetters as 1954 but on a slightly modified manifold, while the car's exhaust pipes no longer ended in front of the rear wheel but were continued right the way along underneath the body to emerge at the rear, with the idea of increasing the extractor effect. All these changes brought about an increase in power of some 30 bhp, 270 bhp now being produced at between 5,500 rpm and 6,000 rpm.

Dogwatch

6,381 posts

251 months

Sunday 16th May 2010
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jonnylayze said:
It just goes to show that you shouldn't believe everythign you read - or watch...
Maybe that's why they put a Copyright date of XXIX. Weird!

Interesting film though.

kiteless

12,557 posts

233 months

Sunday 16th May 2010
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I thought it was well judged.

OK, some of the minutiae was factually incorrect but the main purpose of the documentary - AISI - was the exploration of the cause of the accident after the release of previously unseen photos, and some eyewitness accounts of the aftermath.

Among the many "what ifs" that occurred to me was, 'What if Leveigh's SLR had collided with any other car than Macklin's Healy? Maybe the accident would not have happened?'.


Olivera

8,750 posts

268 months

Sunday 16th May 2010
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DJC said:
This documentary lacks any sort of passion, depth, soul.
Thanks for forming your opinion after only 16 minutes of a 1 hour program, whilst also simultaeneously browsing and posting multiple times on Pistonheads... rolleyes

Edited by Olivera on Sunday 16th May 23:40

Grandad Gaz

5,281 posts

275 months

Monday 17th May 2010
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Why did Macklin's Healey veer across the track like that?

From the footage shown, Hawthorne had just overtaken him.


DJC

23,563 posts

265 months

Monday 17th May 2010
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FourWheelDrift said:
DJC said:
That D-TYpe wasnt putting out 290 in '55. Add another 20-30 ponies.
The 1955 D-Type was never over 300, it wasn't putting out 290 either.

In 1955 it used the same 45 mm Weber carburetters as 1954 but on a slightly modified manifold, while the car's exhaust pipes no longer ended in front of the rear wheel but were continued right the way along underneath the body to emerge at the rear, with the idea of increasing the extractor effect. All these changes brought about an increase in power of some 30 bhp, 270 bhp now being produced at between 5,500 rpm and 6,000 rpm.
You sure? 270 sounds suspiciously low. Ill bow to your knowledge if you have got references to hand, mine are all 200 miles away!

DJC

23,563 posts

265 months

Monday 17th May 2010
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Olivera said:
DJC said:
This documentary lacks any sort of passion, depth, soul.
Thanks for forming your opinion after only 16 minutes of a 1 hour program, whilst also simultaeneously browsing and posting multiple times on Pistonheads... rolleyes

Edited by Olivera on Sunday 16th May 23:40
Note that several others all said a similar thing...perhaps there was a reason for that.

Im unsure what browing and posting on ph has to do with it. I was also reading about the cricket on the bbc news page, looking at some emails and both ph classifieds and autotrader all roughly at the same time. Your point?

My point though was that 2/3rds of that prog. was rubbish. It only got useful when they started to show the crash footage and then the stills, the slow mo action.

The narrator was Godawful, it was pure read from the script stuff. There was no enthusiasm, no passion and what "depth" there was, for the most part was sensationalist filler about Jag v Merc, Mike v Fangio. Oh and something about Leveigh being the French national hero!

moffspeed

3,597 posts

236 months

Monday 17th May 2010
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Pretty dreadful I thought. From the moment that the passion-free narrator pronounced the venue as "Le Mon" I knew we were in trouble. Riddled with inaccuracies, WW2 replay cliches, Hawthorn the villain, irrelevant footage and that dreadful Top Gun-style typwewriter font.

Probably most relevant were the absentees - no interview with Stirling Moss who, I suspect, saw the proverbial imminent car crash and politely declined - I've great respect for what Martin Short has achieved but hardly "Mr Le Mans" is he ?

Ask me to do a documentary on the history of the World Snooker Championship (of which I know nothing) and I suspect this is the kind of level that I would arrive at. A missed opportunity.

freedman

6,015 posts

236 months

Monday 17th May 2010
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DJC said:
Olivera said:
DJC said:
This documentary lacks any sort of passion, depth, soul.
The narrator was Godawful, it was pure read from the script stuff.
I taped it and watched the first few minutes later on last night. Irrepective of the factual stuff this statement is true, the narration was appalling

Clearly by someone who had, no affinity, knowledge, interest, nor narration skills

anonymous-user

83 months

Monday 17th May 2010
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Grandad Gaz said:
Why did Macklin's Healey veer across the track like that?

From the footage shown, Hawthorne had just overtaken him.
from what i could gather, hawthorn had just overtaken macklin, then slowed down to come to the pits, macklin surprised by the decelleration of the d-type had to swerve or run into the back of hawthorn so moved to the left inadvertantly hitting a fast approaching levagh.

although there were some facts told in error by the narrator, i thought it was prettty good, especially the eye-witness accounts, they were still visibly shaken by the events. the time fade picture panorama at the end was poignant and respectful