Clegg on now - Great Reform Bill!!!
Clegg on now - Great Reform Bill!!!
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BruceV8

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3,325 posts

277 months

Wednesday 19th May 2010
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Sounds good so far:

No ID cards

CCTV to be regulated

Review of anti-terrorism laws and abuses thereof.

No second stage biometric passport.

DNA and child contact databases restricted.

Upper house elected by PR

Referendum on AV.

Power of recall on MPs.

SmoothRB

1,700 posts

202 months

Wednesday 19th May 2010
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I like what he is saying but I fear it is too little.

I want mass ANPR banned also.

philthy

4,697 posts

270 months

Wednesday 19th May 2010
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SmoothRB said:
I like what he is saying but I fear it is too little.

I want mass ANPR banned also.
I disagree.
More ANPR, less wooden headed pursuit of speeders.

Plotloss

67,280 posts

300 months

Wednesday 19th May 2010
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BruceV8 said:
Referendum on AV.
Not liking the sound of that... wink

Carfiend

3,186 posts

239 months

Wednesday 19th May 2010
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ANPR is fine as it catches people who are pushing up the cost of insurance and the like on honest people as well as removing potential death traps from the road etc...

The insurance problem could be solved by using a system similar to Australia where every one has blanket 3rd Party cover but doesn't stop people driving without VED or a MOT.

Catch them, crush the car, make them get the bus.

XJR40

5,987 posts

243 months

Wednesday 19th May 2010
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It all sounds like a big step in the right direction.

jmorgan

36,010 posts

314 months

Wednesday 19th May 2010
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I am happy for ANPR as a tool for certain aspects but not as a national network to snoop.

Devil2575

13,400 posts

218 months

Wednesday 19th May 2010
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Carfiend said:
ANPR is fine as it catches people who are pushing up the cost of insurance and the like on honest people as well as removing potential death traps from the road etc...

The insurance problem could be solved by using a system similar to Australia where every one has blanket 3rd Party cover but doesn't stop people driving without VED or a MOT.

Catch them, crush the car, make them get the bus.
Agreed.

Laurel Green

31,150 posts

262 months

Wednesday 19th May 2010
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Plotloss said:
BruceV8 said:
Referendum on AV.
Not liking the sound of that... wink
hehe Best go for the cheap-option-drill-package Sir.

JonRB

80,071 posts

302 months

Wednesday 19th May 2010
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BBC said:
Mr Clegg, who is overseeing the government's political reform plans, said he wanted to "transform our politics so the state has far less control over you, and you have far more control over the state".
(Source: BBC)

Looking very encouraging.


Carfiend

3,186 posts

239 months

Wednesday 19th May 2010
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The bit about reviewing libel laws is a positive. Make it clear that just cause someone called you a nasty name doesn't mean you can sue them.

remedy

2,304 posts

221 months

Wednesday 19th May 2010
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jmorgan said:
I am happy for ANPR as a tool for certain aspects but not as a national network to snoop.
I agree, use should be restricted to verification of insurance and tax/MOT and not to be used for tracking purposes.

SmoothRB

1,700 posts

202 months

Wednesday 19th May 2010
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Carfiend said:
ANPR is fine as it catches people who are pushing up the cost of insurance and the like on honest people as well as removing potential death traps from the road etc...

The insurance problem could be solved by using a system similar to Australia where every one has blanket 3rd Party cover but doesn't stop people driving without VED or a MOT.

Catch them, crush the car, make them get the bus.
So the price of your liberty is a few quid?

Is that what you are saying?

ANPR allows the STATE to track you, that is the problem. History says that these powers get abused eventually.

Do agree MASSIVELY with your point about 3rd party. I live in Oz for a bit and it is a miles better system.

Edited by SmoothRB on Wednesday 19th May 13:15

SmoothRB

1,700 posts

202 months

Wednesday 19th May 2010
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jmorgan said:
I am happy for ANPR as a tool for certain aspects but not as a national network to snoop.
Agree.

I don't want my movements captured and stored in a national computer unless suspected of a crime.

BruceV8

Original Poster:

3,325 posts

277 months

Wednesday 19th May 2010
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So how does the 3rd party system work in Australia?

MartinM

495 posts

237 months

Wednesday 19th May 2010
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This is sounding very promising. Reversing some of the poisonous ste of Nu Labour and replacing it with some sensibly libertarian ideas. More please!

Jasandjules

72,614 posts

259 months

Wednesday 19th May 2010
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SmoothRB said:
jmorgan said:
I am happy for ANPR as a tool for certain aspects but not as a national network to snoop.
Agree.

I don't want my movements captured and stored in a national computer unless suspected of a crime.
Is ANPR currently stored then and if so for how long?

But to me most of the proposals seem to accord with my views, so I am generally happy with it.

jmorgan

36,010 posts

314 months

Wednesday 19th May 2010
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SmoothRB said:
jmorgan said:
I am happy for ANPR as a tool for certain aspects but not as a national network to snoop.
Agree.

I don't want my movements captured and stored in a national computer unless suspected of a crime.
If the DVLA are set up to catch tax dodgers, fine. On police cars, fine. Those I have no problems with as long as the data can be proven to only be used for that. The network that seems to be creeping in un noticed (or is it me?) no way.

BliarOut

72,863 posts

269 months

Wednesday 19th May 2010
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BruceV8 said:
Sounds good so far:

No ID cards

CCTV to be regulated

Review of anti-terrorism laws and abuses thereof.

No second stage biometric passport.

DNA and child contact databases restricted.

Upper house elected by PR

Referendum on AV.

Power of recall on MPs.
It's the change of mindset that I'm liking biggrin

Jasandjules

72,614 posts

259 months

Wednesday 19th May 2010
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BliarOut said:
It's the change of mindset that I'm liking biggrin
Agreed. I am sure I heard CMD saying in one speech or other that HE/The Govt are there to serve the public and not the other way around. Which is a step in the right direction, and this bill seems to be putting his money where his mouth is (assuming my recollection is correct).