Thursday 4th March 2004

Cameras are 100%

Govt says all speed camera locations are justified

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Reports are emerging that the Transport Minister David Jamieson has claimed that all speed cameras have been confirmed as being correctly sited, i.e. conforming with Government guidelines.

Reports say that he told BBC News 24, "All camera partnerships have written back to us and the indications are that the cameras are in the right places ".

The minister has previously asked for poeple to write to him if they feel cameras have been incorrectly sited yet many of those that have written report that their letters have gone unanswered.

Last year motorists were fined a total of £73 million of which £7 million went to the Government.

Many drivers remain sceptical about the use of cameras as a road safety tool. Despite so much money being raised by cameras the impact on improving driver skills is still minimal. The constant stream of income from motorists is testimony to the fact that the cameras are having minimal effect on their behaviour.

If the Government wants to salvage any credibility from its camera policy - and genuinely improve safety on our roads - it needs to be investing the proceeds in a more constructive manner. Some carrot as well as stick is now needed.

[deltaf]

Nobody in their right mind actually beleived for a second that the outcome would have been different? Did they?
Mr Jamieson is just another idiot in office who really should have asked people on the street, not his secret scamera clubs to give the info.
Like i said before, the only way to get these scams out is to take direct action to remove them. Its obvious to even the dimmest person out there that theyll protect their "empire" at all costs.
Dont let a little thing called "truth" or "honesty" get in the way of a profit!
Deaths up, injuries up, and profits UP!
This policy is a sham a scam and a plain lie that will be defeated by those prepared to put their money where their mouths are.
Time to take it to em in a big way. Its the ONLY way theyll take notice.

[rev-erend]

Where my white wash .. right .. all cameras are in the right place..

Twaddle.

[PetrolTed]

What angers me is the wasted opportunity. Cameras are there - drive at the limit and you'll avoid getting flashed. Fine, I don't have a problem with that. I do have a problem with all that money being spent employing people to ram home such a one dimensional safety message.

[deltaf]

If all the scameras are "in the right place", then can they explain why they feel the need to remove around 140 of them in London?
Are they all in the right place as well?
That jamieson is complicit in this scam; hes a part of it.
But hes vastly mistaken if he thinks thatll be the end of it tho.
Hes going to get the biggest fight hes EVER had on his stupid hands before too much longer and hes so dumb and blind to it coming that itll bowl him over when it comes.
And it IS coming.

"New Labour Transport Minister places profit above honesty".

[Dan]

the story said:

Reports say that he told BBC News 24, "All camera partnerships have written back to us and the indications are that the cameras are in the right places ".

I can see it now..

Dear Mr Scamera

Are your cameras in justified locations? Just checking as a couple of child hating, murdering lunatics have commented.

Cheers A. Lying-B'stard (mp)

.........

Mr B'stard

Sure are, we're making a fortune ;o) people are obviously going faster than those speed limits you made up.

Ta Mr.S

P.S. how is that new appartment in the Maldives? (nudge nudge)

Bollox

[v8thunder]

Has Alastair Campbell been replaced with Comical Ali or something?

[WildCat]

Agreed!

Of course it is a whitewash! This government is very good at this! Of course they will not respond to any letter contradicting their profound beliefs - any acknowledgement that the other side to the argument has valid points tantamounts to "blasphemy" in their book!

No-one is denying the dangers of excessive speed, nor the need for speed limits - but the concentration on one aspect rather than the full broad picture is not improving road safety at all.

If it were about road safety - you would not hear the weird one claiming that he wants to see increases in number of NIPs issued!

If it were about safety - you would not be reading of their business plans and targets to "break even" on operating costs! In fact, they should be running at a loss!

If it were about safety - you would find cameras sited exactly where they should be - on the UK's most dangerous roads, near schools, in town centres, and the latter two switched off at off-peak times!

It is certainly not improving any driver behaviour, nor reducing the number of accidents! Accidents are caused by many more variables and circumstances, of which speed may indeed be a contributory factor, but not sole cause.

[ian d]

there are currently NO guidelines in the public domain that lay out where cameras are to be sited. i have looked and only found a miss-mash of studies and appraisals. NOTHING DEFINATIVE.

so the "in line with government guidelines" is frankly ARS#.

publish the guidelines and allow the positioning of cameras to be scrutinised. until then Mr Jamieson, NO ONE WILL BELIEVE YOU.

[XM5ER]

the story said:

Reports say that he told BBC News 24, "All camera partnerships have written back to us and the indications are that the cameras are in the right places ".

Oh God help us all!

[britten_mark]

deltaf said:

Nobody in their right mind actually beleived for a second that the outcome would have been different? Did they? Mr Jamieson is just another idiot in office who really should have asked people on the street, not his secret scamera clubs to give the info. Like i said before, the only way to get these scams out is to take direct action to remove them. Its obvious to even the dimmest person out there that theyll protect their "empire" at all costs. Dont let a little thing called "truth" or "honesty" get in the way of a profit! Deaths up, injuries up, and profits UP! This policy is a sham a scam and a plain lie that will be defeated by those prepared to put their money where their mouths are. Time to take it to em in a big way. Its the ONLY way theyll take notice.

Not that I condone it, of course, but I've seen some paintball guns on ebay. Surely "defacing" the lenses of cameras with these tools at a safe distance is not impossible? As the punishment for actually destroying a Gatso is 10 times heftier than the one they dished out to a Paedophile near me, would not mean encarceration if you were caught? No different to graffitting a wall is it?

[tonyout]

I tried to get a bag the cams campaign going a while ago and got little response.

Anyone interested now??????

Has anyone ever known an incident when not one error in 6000 was made. Course not.

I want to see direct action. They are lying and taking our money. I am fcking furious


Lying theiving bstards


Disclaimer

Now is not the time for disclaimers. I actually do want to see cameras blown up on a wide scale. Graffiti'd, pulled down, anything to eliminate all 6000 of them. I condone everything that is anti what this lying cheating bunch of bstards forces on us. Vive la revolution

[safespeed]

PetrolTed said:

Just wait Paul, if anyone picks up on your press release they'll just accuse you of saying that in the face of finding all the cameras are sited according to the rules you are resorting to challenging the rules instead... Or am I just cynical

They could try, of course, but if they try asking the Minister about the the blunder in the rules they might learn something of interest. I live in hope.

Best Regards,
Paul Smith
Safe Speed
www.safespeed.org.uk
edited for spelling errors

>> Edited by safespeed on Thursday 4th March 15:55

[streaky]

Dear Scamera Partnership,

Are you lying?

Yours,
David Jamieson

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Dear David,

No.

Yours,
A Scamera Partnership

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[d-man]

I thought only 85% of a partnerships cameras had to be sited according to the guidelines anyway?

I also believed that some partnerships had admitted they make use of this 15%. Now I'm being told that 100% of cameras comply fully.