EVO, 993TT's, and where is DeR?
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Well I expected more of a fuss on the subject than we have had !
I little while back I posted on the delights of the 993TT, having enjoyed an extended hoon around in one only a few weeks ago.
As you know, EVO this month haas revisited the UberBeetle and they have certainly noticed its remarkable capacity for forward thrust. Age has not dimmed its accelerative prowess.
But they also spoke of an uncertain chassis, a loose rear end, and of compromised steerage.
This is not my experience. I have found them to be very reassuring in the twisties, with a fine and fullsome helm. Was it just the one they had? Does anyone know of the car they tested, and its owner?
And where on earth is DeR? I expected some florid prose double quick in defence of the blown beetle. He can defend the beast better than any of us I suspect...
I little while back I posted on the delights of the 993TT, having enjoyed an extended hoon around in one only a few weeks ago.
As you know, EVO this month haas revisited the UberBeetle and they have certainly noticed its remarkable capacity for forward thrust. Age has not dimmed its accelerative prowess.
But they also spoke of an uncertain chassis, a loose rear end, and of compromised steerage.
This is not my experience. I have found them to be very reassuring in the twisties, with a fine and fullsome helm. Was it just the one they had? Does anyone know of the car they tested, and its owner?
And where on earth is DeR? I expected some florid prose double quick in defence of the blown beetle. He can defend the beast better than any of us I suspect...
Don't forget that these guys get to drive all sorts of EVO cars and yes the back end of 993 TT do wiggle around, that is why they fitted different more solid rear subframe mounts on the GT2 versions to cure this.
Not a bad article in EVO but TT is more of the GT car in the range , there are better 993 models to choose from in the range for an ultimate driving machine test and curiously they are both 2wd.
No disrespect to DeR, who is undoubtdly a top chap,, his car is very different to the car they tested, due to the honing in many different areas of performance.
Not a bad article in EVO but TT is more of the GT car in the range , there are better 993 models to choose from in the range for an ultimate driving machine test and curiously they are both 2wd.
No disrespect to DeR, who is undoubtdly a top chap,, his car is very different to the car they tested, due to the honing in many different areas of performance.
Down at an OPC yesterday, couldn`t help thinking how dated the 993 now looked alongside my GT3, EVO opinion spot on IMO.
Also worth considering that in certain situations ( wet right handers particularly) my RS is more "solid",
power on , than the uberwasenpoomper......( thats a Focus RS)
Also worth considering that in certain situations ( wet right handers particularly) my RS is more "solid",
power on , than the uberwasenpoomper......( thats a Focus RS)
clubsport said:Of course windscreen wiper removal and folding of wing mirrors doesn't always catch the imagination of road testers.
No disrespect to DeR, who is undoubtdly a top chap,, his car is very different to the car they tested, due to the honing in many different areas of performance.
sounds to me like they where testing a dog,the 993 turbo is a very shore footed car.If its not ,get your settings checked!
I think you will also find the turbo rear sub frame mounts are the same shore hardness rubber as a gt2 street version,and 993rs clubsport.
Does not realy stop the back end moving around though,just means the geometry settings can be set up more accuratly and stay there underload.which will help the car grip better,to a point!
One extreme to the other,my cup car is solid mounted on the sub frame,the back end wiggles all over the place,and reduces the grip in the wet.
Burzel
I think you will also find the turbo rear sub frame mounts are the same shore hardness rubber as a gt2 street version,and 993rs clubsport.
Does not realy stop the back end moving around though,just means the geometry settings can be set up more accuratly and stay there underload.which will help the car grip better,to a point!
One extreme to the other,my cup car is solid mounted on the sub frame,the back end wiggles all over the place,and reduces the grip in the wet.
Burzel
I was speaking to the great Thomatic Gregorian recently about this travesty of journo errordom.
I recall the day I test drove my then milk livered 993tt against a first gen GT3.
It would have been churlish then to dismiss the latter as anything other than fabulous on any number of subjective grounds; a true great of our times.
And so it would remain.
However, it took but one reasonably addictive hit of triple K'd expellation to confirm the outcome of that day's decision making process.
Maybe the 993 is dated to some eyes but kept in something like decent nick, I'd perenially plump for a Max Factored Pammy A than freshly pouted Katie P (as it were).
Several years on, I have it in mind to combine the best of both worlds to meld the perfect platter of moulded jellydom and I have the oddest feeling that the correct path is being plotted.
Biased? Utterly!
I recall the day I test drove my then milk livered 993tt against a first gen GT3.
It would have been churlish then to dismiss the latter as anything other than fabulous on any number of subjective grounds; a true great of our times.
And so it would remain.
However, it took but one reasonably addictive hit of triple K'd expellation to confirm the outcome of that day's decision making process.
Maybe the 993 is dated to some eyes but kept in something like decent nick, I'd perenially plump for a Max Factored Pammy A than freshly pouted Katie P (as it were).
Several years on, I have it in mind to combine the best of both worlds to meld the perfect platter of moulded jellydom and I have the oddest feeling that the correct path is being plotted.
Biased? Utterly!
derestrictor said:
I was speaking to the great Thomatic Gregorian recently about this travesty of journo errordom.
I recall the day I test drove my then milk livered 993tt against a first gen GT3.
It would have been churlish then to dismiss the latter as anything other than fabulous on any number of subjective grounds; a true great of our times.
And so it would remain.
However, it took but one reasonably addictive hit of triple K'd expellation to confirm the outcome of that day's decision making process.
Maybe the 993 is dated to some eyes but kept in something like decent nick, I'd perenially plump for a Max Factored Pammy A than freshly pouted Katie P (as it were).
Several years on, I have it in mind to combine the best of both worlds to meld the perfect platter of moulded jellydom and I have the oddest feeling that the correct path is being plotted.
Biased? Utterly!
Ahhh, see here:
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=84891&f=48&h=0
toppstuff said:
But they also spoke of an uncertain chassis, a loose rear end, and of compromised steerage.
This is not my experience. I have found them to be very reassuring in the twisties, with a fine and fullsome helm.
This is not my experience either.
Also, it seems that EVO have contradicted themselves because at the back of the magasine in ‘The Knowledge’ section they describe the 993 Turbo as a “Stupendous all-weather supercar – It doesn’t rain enough”
Make your minds up EVO!
I'll bet on the fact the car needed rear wheel alignmnet, and/or a control arm was bent.
Drive a 993 when its out & they are quite frankly bad, if its way out its bloody awful- like a shopping trolly with a wonky wheel.
I've driven the same 993T with everything bang on alignment wise and racked up well into the far side of high 3 figures mph on a bumpy road, yet same car- alignmnet way out & bent control arm & it wanted to throw me off the road at even 70-80, fecking scary!
Another thing to throw into the pot is a standard 993T is set up reasonably softly & they are pretty lardy & not exactly lightweight cars & just like a bog standard C2/C4 they are not the sharpest tool in the box dynamically as standard, harder springs and pref shocks too do firm the old girls up a bit.
Also with a few yrs & miles wear on them like every car they can start to feel a bit baggy. Oh and just thinking about it- wasnt Lord Harry M's old black beast 993T modified a bit? I remember it being a LHD import from the land of cabbage- perhaps it had suspension tweeks- I seem to remember it had German pimp spec wheel spacers & tinted glass when he got it anyway!
Drive a 993 when its out & they are quite frankly bad, if its way out its bloody awful- like a shopping trolly with a wonky wheel.
I've driven the same 993T with everything bang on alignment wise and racked up well into the far side of high 3 figures mph on a bumpy road, yet same car- alignmnet way out & bent control arm & it wanted to throw me off the road at even 70-80, fecking scary!
Another thing to throw into the pot is a standard 993T is set up reasonably softly & they are pretty lardy & not exactly lightweight cars & just like a bog standard C2/C4 they are not the sharpest tool in the box dynamically as standard, harder springs and pref shocks too do firm the old girls up a bit.
Also with a few yrs & miles wear on them like every car they can start to feel a bit baggy. Oh and just thinking about it- wasnt Lord Harry M's old black beast 993T modified a bit? I remember it being a LHD import from the land of cabbage- perhaps it had suspension tweeks- I seem to remember it had German pimp spec wheel spacers & tinted glass when he got it anyway!
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