Conservatives scrap plans to cut fuel duty
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politic...
No surprise there, U-turn once they get the votes.
s.
No surprise there, U-turn once they get the votes.
s.topless_mx5 said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politic...
No surprise there, U-turn once they get the votes.s.
You actually thought they would carry through on that?No surprise there, U-turn once they get the votes.
s.We're in quite a lot of debt right now.
The constant whining about fuel taxes is the reason we get burdened with stealth 'green' taxes with which governments say 'you won't get shafted (as much)...if you are a good boy/girl and ditch your dirty old family car for this shiny new sh*tbox with a lawnmower engine'. I'd rather pay a fair price for every litre of fuel I burn that includes the cost of finding sustainable alternatives and building infrastructures for them before we run out of oil, and whatever the costs to society are of the 2.2 kgs of CO2 I emit (which the EU thinks is 50 euro per tonne as that's what they want to charge industry) than have them de facto decide for me whether I should burn it in my TVR or a Prius.
thinfourth2 said:
This is going to be so much fun watching the tory fan boys squirm as it turns out they are also going to screw us over and leave the benefit scum alone
i think most people with even half a brain that aren't 'benefit scum', and possibly some that are, have long accepted that the sheer size of our welfare state is more than anyone can deal with in a short time frame, a decade would be optimistic. I don't really see how it can be 'fun', irrespective of which mast your flag is nailed to. It's a lose lose situation in many respects.I do agree there's probably a far worse pinch to come. The future is by no means rosy, if anything it's going to get far worse before it gets better, we're still near as dammit in recession after some nicely massaged growth figures of 0.1% despite £200bn+ of QE, interest rates are flat, inflation is rising, markets are looking shafted etc etc. Married to this is europe going down the pan and the myriad of knock on effects... Who else is going to pick up labours tab?
That little lot is more than enough to keep me squirming, a few coalition concessions and broken promises aren't going to upset me, s'only a few quids worth of tax anyway. Well that and it's POETs day so i couldn't care less
Edited by Stu R on Friday 21st May 07:54
It was obvious that as soon as a coilition was on the cards, then the vote-luring promises that were going to cost the government money in lost revenue were going to go straight out of the window.
Please remember, however, which website the OP has linked to, and their target demograph. There are a lot of the policies outlined yesterday that I disagree with (as they are likely to cost me money in the short term), however I think there is a level of pain that this country must endure to overcome a decade of mis-spending - The doom-and-gloom-for-the-wealthy Telegraph failed to mention the announcment of the re-assessment of all those claiming disability benifits, for example. We can be as scinical as we like about how successful this kind of initiative will be, however if it gets the lazy obese parasites off of the sofa and into the Job Centre, then it will be a start.
Please remember, however, which website the OP has linked to, and their target demograph. There are a lot of the policies outlined yesterday that I disagree with (as they are likely to cost me money in the short term), however I think there is a level of pain that this country must endure to overcome a decade of mis-spending - The doom-and-gloom-for-the-wealthy Telegraph failed to mention the announcment of the re-assessment of all those claiming disability benifits, for example. We can be as scinical as we like about how successful this kind of initiative will be, however if it gets the lazy obese parasites off of the sofa and into the Job Centre, then it will be a start.
Each party "promised" (let's face it, they're trying to get elected, no one would vote for a party that told the truth about the hard times ahead) a number of things, many of which will come into fruition, however they are promises of what would happen if a Conservative government came to power. BUT we do NOT have a conservative government, we have a coalition government.
Fuel (and many other things) will have to go up. Yes it's not nice, Yes it's a pain but I suspect people think getting out of debt will only mean hardship on "other" people, it doesn't, it means hardship on all of us.
Fuel will go to £1.50 in no time I reckon.
People will moan it will price people off the road (well, it will reduce congestion), however they were saying the same thing when fuel was 80/90p a litre (actually, they've been saying it long before then!) and guess what, they still all driving, there's more people on the road than there ever has been. People CAN afford it and will carry on to do so. It's an essential so they'll have to cut their holiday budget, no flash new car (stick with their old one etc.), no plasma and so on.
I'd rather more tax on fuel than higher VED - although we'll probably get both
I'll re-iterate though, people all agree that there are tough times ahead but only agree if it doesn't affect them personally........
Fuel (and many other things) will have to go up. Yes it's not nice, Yes it's a pain but I suspect people think getting out of debt will only mean hardship on "other" people, it doesn't, it means hardship on all of us.
Fuel will go to £1.50 in no time I reckon.
People will moan it will price people off the road (well, it will reduce congestion), however they were saying the same thing when fuel was 80/90p a litre (actually, they've been saying it long before then!) and guess what, they still all driving, there's more people on the road than there ever has been. People CAN afford it and will carry on to do so. It's an essential so they'll have to cut their holiday budget, no flash new car (stick with their old one etc.), no plasma and so on.
I'd rather more tax on fuel than higher VED - although we'll probably get both
I'll re-iterate though, people all agree that there are tough times ahead but only agree if it doesn't affect them personally........
900T-R said:
The constant whining about fuel taxes is the reason we get burdened with stealth 'green' taxes with which governments say 'you won't get shafted (as much)...if you are a good boy/girl and ditch your dirty old family car for this shiny new sh*tbox with a lawnmower engine'. I'd rather pay a fair price for every litre of fuel I burn that includes the cost of finding sustainable alternatives and building infrastructures for them before we run out of oil, and whatever the costs to society are of the 2.2 kgs of CO2 I emit (which the EU thinks is 50 euro per tonne as that's what they want to charge industry) than have them de facto decide for me whether I should burn it in my TVR or a Prius.
Problem is, exactly 0% of the fuel duty you pay is used for ANY of the causes you mention above. Most of it is used to pay off interest on debt to banks, whom you have already paid with your money, and are now charging you to lend your own money back. Any investment into infrastructure etc. is funded by income taxes.wildatheart said:
900T-R said:
The constant whining about fuel taxes is the reason we get burdened with stealth 'green' taxes with which governments say 'you won't get shafted (as much)...if you are a good boy/girl and ditch your dirty old family car for this shiny new sh*tbox with a lawnmower engine'. I'd rather pay a fair price for every litre of fuel I burn that includes the cost of finding sustainable alternatives and building infrastructures for them before we run out of oil, and whatever the costs to society are of the 2.2 kgs of CO2 I emit (which the EU thinks is 50 euro per tonne as that's what they want to charge industry) than have them de facto decide for me whether I should burn it in my TVR or a Prius.
Problem is, exactly 0% of the fuel duty you pay is used for ANY of the causes you mention above. Most of it is used to pay off interest on debt to banks, whom you have already paid with your money, and are now charging you to lend your own money back. Any investment into infrastructure etc. is funded by income taxes.thinfourth2 said:
This is going to be so much fun watching the tory fan boys squirm as it turns out they are also going to screw us over and leave the benefit scum alone
After over 10 years of 'it's thatcher's fault' being rammed down our necks while labour ruined us, we deserve at least a year or two of 'it's winky's fault'Elroy Blue said:
Financial crisis or not, they'e totally renegade on most of their election promises. It even took Winky more than a week to do that. I should have just voted Lib-Dem, I'd have got the same thing!
"reneged"A renegade is something else, including a Jeep.
What people have to understand is that basically politics is about one party with 3 different colours. A bit like Top Trumps - same principles, different pictures.
The Wookie said:
thinfourth2 said:
This is going to be so much fun watching the tory fan boys squirm as it turns out they are also going to screw us over and leave the benefit scum alone
After over 10 years of 'it's thatcher's fault' being rammed down our necks while labour ruined us, we deserve at least a year or two of 'it's winky's fault'sleep envy said:
wildatheart said:
900T-R said:
The constant whining about fuel taxes is the reason we get burdened with stealth 'green' taxes with which governments say 'you won't get shafted (as much)...if you are a good boy/girl and ditch your dirty old family car for this shiny new sh*tbox with a lawnmower engine'. I'd rather pay a fair price for every litre of fuel I burn that includes the cost of finding sustainable alternatives and building infrastructures for them before we run out of oil, and whatever the costs to society are of the 2.2 kgs of CO2 I emit (which the EU thinks is 50 euro per tonne as that's what they want to charge industry) than have them de facto decide for me whether I should burn it in my TVR or a Prius.
Problem is, exactly 0% of the fuel duty you pay is used for ANY of the causes you mention above. Most of it is used to pay off interest on debt to banks, whom you have already paid with your money, and are now charging you to lend your own money back. Any investment into infrastructure etc. is funded by income taxes.Gassing Station | General Gassing [Archive] | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff