Strange exhaust contrails from a jet engine
Strange exhaust contrails from a jet engine
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M-J-B

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15,377 posts

273 months

Sunday 23rd May 2010
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Not sure how to describe it really.

Sitting in the garden on this lovely hot summers afternoon and I watched a three engined aircraft at height travel across the sky. Now I'm sure it was a MD11 (or DC10) rather than a Tristar due to the longer fuselage profile. the strange sight was the left engine (if you look from behind) was emitting a larger 'puff' of a white contrail ball every second or so. If you look at a normal aircraft at height and the contrails are constant and even. This was definitely having a hiccough every second or so and from first sighting through to gone in the distance.

Was the engine simply running a bit rough, I've never seen this before and was it/is it common place?

Eric Mc

124,769 posts

288 months

Sunday 23rd May 2010
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I might have seen that too. I think it was an MD11 (the DC-10 and Tristar were very similar in length - apart from the short fuselage Tristar 500).

Yiu can get intermittent contrails from engines. The other day I was watching a 747 pass over and there was an intermittent trail coming from the APU.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

278 months

Sunday 23rd May 2010
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Probably forgot to push the choke in....

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

278 months

Sunday 23rd May 2010
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Or it was one of those government aircraft, showering us with aluminium dust...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_...


Wooooo....be afraid. Maybe, even, run away hehe

dougc

8,240 posts

288 months

Sunday 23rd May 2010
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Google 'Donuts on a rope'. There's loads of stuff about it around. Some of it quite tinfoil hat...

M-J-B

Original Poster:

15,377 posts

273 months

Sunday 23rd May 2010
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dougc said:
Google 'Donuts on a rope'. There's loads of stuff about it around. Some of it quite tinfoil hat...
I aware of the hype surrounding these and it was different - the contrails merged leaving a normal style rather than the doughnut on a rope style. Seemed to me that one engine was definitely not running as sweetly as it should.

perdu

4,885 posts

222 months

Sunday 23rd May 2010
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Volcanic dust "silicated glass" on an impellor blade or two

er

Run away - sideways

No, probably left the choke out that side. Simples!

There are two chokes on a twin aren't there?





OK OK I've noticed this before on occasion, even before they invented volcanoes. Maybe we SHOULD run away...


eccles

14,176 posts

245 months

Sunday 23rd May 2010
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Eric Mc said:
I might have seen that too. I think it was an MD11 (the DC-10 and Tristar were very similar in length - apart from the short fuselage Tristar 500).

Yiu can get intermittent contrails from engines. The other day I was watching a 747 pass over and there was an intermittent trail coming from the APU.
wonder why he was running the APU in flight.

perdu

4,885 posts

222 months

Sunday 23rd May 2010
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eccles said:
Eric Mc said:
I might have seen that too. I think it was an MD11 (the DC-10 and Tristar were very similar in length - apart from the short fuselage Tristar 500).

Yiu can get intermittent contrails from engines. The other day I was watching a 747 pass over and there was an intermittent trail coming from the APU.
wonder why he was running the APU in flight.
flat battery?

Eric Mc

124,769 posts

288 months

Sunday 23rd May 2010
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Do they not keep the APU running as a matter of course?

anonymous-user

77 months

Sunday 23rd May 2010
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Eric Mc said:
Do they not keep the APU running as a matter of course?
No virtually never. Especially on a four engined aircraft. You might start it on a twin in an emergency as a back up source of AC power, they don't really work as an air source much above 20,000 feet.

They burn too much fuel to have sitting running all day.

Most operators turn the APU on after landing and off after engine start.

Edited by el stovey on Sunday 23 May 22:59

Chilli

17,320 posts

259 months

Monday 24th May 2010
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Ok, can someone please tell me what an APU is (and also what it does)? Guessing this is the exhaust type thingy hanging right out the back of a 747....or the 5th engine as I used to think.

Merritt

1,661 posts

261 months

Monday 24th May 2010
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Correct - The Auxiliary Power Unit to give it its full name is a small gas turbine engine that sits in the rear of the a/c. It is most often used on the ground to provide air to start the main engines & electrical power. Some aircraft can also use them in the air to provide additional power in the event of a generator failure or main engine failure but some types do not allow use in the air or cannot be paralleled up with the main electrical system.

Eric Mc

124,769 posts

288 months

Monday 24th May 2010
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el stovey said:
Eric Mc said:
Do they not keep the APU running as a matter of course?
No virtually never. Especially on a four engined aircraft. You might start it on a twin in an emergency as a back up source of AC power, they don't really work as an air source much above 20,000 feet.

They burn too much fuel to have sitting running all day.

Most operators turn the APU on after landing and off after engine start.

Edited by el stovey on Sunday 23 May 22:59
Thanks for the clarification. There definitely was a fifth trail coming out of the tail cone of the 747 I saw the other day (I was using 40 x 50 binoculars) so I guess they must have started up the APU for some reason.

Bish

809 posts

230 months

Monday 24th May 2010
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Pulse jet maybe?

Eric Mc

124,769 posts

288 months

Monday 24th May 2010
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Bish said:
Pulse jet maybe?
Who uses pulse jets these days - especially on operational aircraft? They are noisy, smelly, fuel inefficient and create massive vibration. Pulse jet technology may have been worthwhile pursuing in 1942 but it is not of much use these days.

Chilli

17,320 posts

259 months

Monday 24th May 2010
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Merritt said:
Correct - The Auxiliary Power Unit to give it its full name is a small gas turbine engine that sits in the rear of the a/c. It is most often used on the ground to provide air to start the main engines & electrical power. Some aircraft can also use them in the air to provide additional power in the event of a generator failure or main engine failure but some types do not allow use in the air or cannot be paralleled up with the main electrical system.
Excellent, many thanks.

Eric Mc

124,769 posts

288 months

Monday 24th May 2010
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The APU of an Airbus A380 (or, at least, the APU exhaust).



The noise wou can hear as you walk around a modern jet airliner or board through a jetway is the sound of the APU exhaust.


nobbysworld

90 posts

278 months

Monday 24th May 2010
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I thought he ran the Qwik-e-mart.

dr_gn

16,756 posts

207 months

Monday 24th May 2010
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M-J-B said:
Not sure how to describe it really.

Sitting in the garden on this lovely hot summers afternoon and I watched a three engined aircraft at height travel across the sky. Now I'm sure it was a MD11 (or DC10) rather than a Tristar due to the longer fuselage profile. the strange sight was the left engine (if you look from behind) was emitting a larger 'puff' of a white contrail ball every second or so. If you look at a normal aircraft at height and the contrails are constant and even. This was definitely having a hiccough every second or so and from first sighting through to gone in the distance.

Was the engine simply running a bit rough, I've never seen this before and was it/is it common place?
Definitiely Chemtrails, not contrails. I hope you were wearing your respirator!