Kart Engine

[iggletiggle]

Firstly, Mods please move if you feel this would be better elsewhere.

I have an old school 210cc go kart that has no engine that was laying in the garage from the old man back in the day and was thinking about using it.

Where would i go about getting a 100cc (ish) kart engine/brakes/wheels and tyres from fairly cheaply?

I have tried to search ebay but it hasnt been too fruitful.. dont relaly want to spend more than £100-150 at the most as its only going to be used on a private tarmac'd piece of land..

Many Thanks

Mike

[soad]

No idea on locating one, but i bet it'll be massive fun once build is completed.

[iggletiggle]

Haha im hoping so !!

Just hoping to find an engine to suit

[vrooom]

motorbike engine? have look youtube for gixxerkart

[yazza54]

You won't get anything of much use for peanuts which it looks like is what you're after spending. Karting is a bloody expensive sport. You want an engine, brakes etc for about 100-150 quid? We used to go through £200 in tyres over a race weekend!

I know racing and having a mess on a car park are two totally different things, but my suggestion was going to be ebay. If you cant find anything on ebay either up your budget or shelve the idea.

[DangerousMike]

www.karting.co.uk ?

[130R]

I know a couple of people that race rotax max and the engine alone is well over £1500

[tegwin]

I would be looking for a large horizontal shaft four stroke garden tool engine (aka rotavator etc)... fit a centrefugal clutch and chain drive on it... jobs a goodun! Might weight a bit, but with your budget, you cant be picky...

For breaks... look on ebay for something simple from a scooter.... make up a caliper mount etc...

If you want to spend penuts, you need to be preprared to put in plenty of time Sounds like an awsome project!

[FWDRacer]

If it is a 210 Kart you'll be needing an old Villiers engine. Not sure if they even race them anymore (was an old RACMSA class).

It will need lots of mods to take a 100cc direct drive engine, you'd be beeter off trying to fettle a bike engine onto it.

Wear reinforced underpants when complete

[yazza54]

FWDRacer said:

If it is a 210 Kart you'll be needing an old Villiers engine. Not sure if they even race them anymore (was an old RACMSA class).

It will need lots of mods to take a 100cc direct drive engine, you'd be beeter off trying to fettle a bike engine onto it.

Wear reinforced underpants when complete

The old 210s still compete. They were racing up at rissington when I was racing 125 ICC Gearbox.



You'd be able to get a 210 engine, but it won't be cheap. Most of the ones used nowadays are reproductions of the original.

Edited by yazza54 on Thursday 27th May 13:20

[Exige77]

As said already go to www.karting.co.uk

Look in for sale or just ask for advice.

Chap called ITPRO knows everything !!

Ex77

[henrywilliams]

As said above, have a look on karting.co.uk at the Marketplace

You probably want something like an old TKM engine - they're 100cc 2stroke air cooled, clutchless and need bumpstarting, but are great fun to drive.

It might be worth just keeping an eye on eBay though for old rolling chassis and then either swapping the stuff across or just use the new rolling chassis, as by the time you've brought all the ancilliaries you will have probably spent more money than buying each individual bits you need to get your current chassis working.

[AUDIHenry]

Check out eBay, plenty of old stuff comes up, especially on the U.S. site.

[yazza54]

henrywilliams said:

You probably want something like an old TKM engine - they're 100cc 2stroke air cooled, clutchless and need bumpstarting, but are great fun to drive.

Can get clutched TKM. More practical for a mess about, but need a starter. All for about £100 though.. mmm ..

[Atomic Gibbon]

OP,

Although they're popular, I'd avoid the TKM BT82, if they're still running the Walbro carb. Those things hate even the tinyest bit of dirt, we used to run 3 fuel filters to get them to perform right back in the day, and were still rebuilding carbs every meeting. They are also still in use, so good ones will be valuable. It seems silly, but these low revving (16.4 max) piston port engines were the slowest and most annoying (esp easy to oil up) 100cc engines I ever raced on.

I'd look for a Parilla TT75 / the Sirio equivilent, as I don't think they have a race series these days. The TT75 was the "silly" engie that got Junior 100B killed off (too fast), but the reason for the reccomendation is that they were so easy to start, and could run at 21k rpm if you had the budget. If you got one and ran it to say 16k rpm, it should last ages between needing a rebuild. They also ran tillotsen carbs, that could take a bit of stick between strips. You can even strip one, flush it through (compressed air wins here), and rebuild with the same diaphrams if it was just for testing etc.

If those engines are hard to find, look for a rotary valve 100cc, like TKM, Solo, Rotax, etc etc. Rotaries are easy to spot because hte carb is above the drive sprocket. These used to rev to 16k (short stroke), and were reasnably easy to start. just run em slightly rich, and revto 15k.They'll last for ages =)

Or, if it really is just to hoof around a field, get a 4 stroke. Boring, but less oily bits to have to worry about. They sound crap though =)

[iggletiggle]

Thanks to all have responded.

The reason for the low budget is that its literally going to be a bit of fun kart, to hoon around a massive expanse of concrete/tarmac that used to have pig sheds standing on it.. Nothing serious..

Had thought about a rotivator/mower engine and adapting to fit as can pick them up fairly cheaply..

Will have a dig around on Karting.co.uk as well.

Thanks again for responses - much appreciated. If it goes anywhere i will get a thread in 'readers cars' up and running.. if it turns out to be too expensive i'll just have to get the Golf project finished quicker!

cheers

Mike

[yazza54]

You need a honda GX like they use on the indoor karts, 2 stroke kart engines are proper race engines, they are no good for just driving around a piece of land or car park, they need opening up and driving hard or they will run horribly rich and oil up. Old four stroke will be easier to start, low maintenance, clutched and cheaper. But sound like 5 people farting simultaneously!

Edited by yazza54 on Thursday 27th May 13:44

[iggletiggle]

yazza54 said:

You need a honda GX like they use on the indoor karts, 2 stroke kart engines are proper race engines, they are no good for just driving around a piece of land or car park, they need opening up and driving hard or they will run horribly rich and oil up. Old four stroke will be easier to start, low maintenance, clutched and cheaper. But sound like 5 people farting simultaneously!

Edited by yazza54 on Thursday 27th May 13:44

The area that it will be used on is bigger than most of the indoor kart tracks round Suffolk/Essex - it is part of an old farm my uncle has just bought so opening them up and driving hard wont be too much of a problem.. will look into GX engines later today

cheers

Edit for spelling !

Edited by iggletiggle on Thursday 27th May 14:25

[FWDRacer]

Atomic Gibbon said:

OP,


I'd look for a Parilla TT75 / the Sirio equivilent, as I don't think they have a race series these days. The TT75 was the "silly" engie that got Junior 100B killed off (too fast), but the reason for the reccomendation is that they were so easy to start, and could run at 21k rpm

I raced one of these Reed valve screamers.

[yazza54]

iggletiggle said:

yazza54 said:

You need a honda GX like they use on the indoor karts, 2 stroke kart engines are proper race engines, they are no good for just driving around a piece of land or car park, they need opening up and driving hard or they will run horribly rich and oil up. Old four stroke will be easier to start, low maintenance, clutched and cheaper. But sound like 5 people farting simultaneously!

Edited by yazza54 on Thursday 27th May 13:44

The area that it will be used on is bigger than most of the indoor kart tracks round Suffolk/Essex - it is part of an old farm my uncle has just bought so opening them up and driving hard wont be too much of a problem.. will look into GX engines later today

cheers

Edit for spelling !

Edited by iggletiggle on Thursday 27th May 14:25

Well you're pretty much still limited to the GX on price, plus the TKMs and other high revving 2 strokes don't have long running hours between rebuilds.