RE: Driven: Volkswagen Polo GTI
RE: Driven: Volkswagen Polo GTI
Thursday 27th May 2010

Driven: Volkswagen Polo GTI

VW finally takes its baby hot hatch seriously with 177bhp Polo


Polo GTI with its G40 ancestor
Polo GTI with its G40 ancestor
The letters 'G', 'T', and 'I' don't instantly associate themselves in most car enthusiasts' minds with a VW Polo, but the new Polo GTI does, in fact, represent the third time Volkswagen has attached its most famous badge to the rump of its supermini.

And this time VW is serious about its new baby hot hatch. It's given the Polo GTI a turbocharged and supercharged 177bhp 1.4-litre engine, the same XDS electronic differential trickery as the Golf GTI and the latest seven-speed DSG dual-clutch transmission as standard (an admittedly controversial point).

VW also hopes it'll be a case of third time lucky for the Polo GTI; up until now it hasn't had much success with hot versions of the Polo. Mind you, it hasn't tried all that hard. Despite launching the first Polo in 1975, a year after the genre-defining Golf GTI appeared, it was 1985 before a fast version appeared.


Even then the supercharged 115bhp 1.3-litre Polo GT G40 was only ever built in left-hand drive, and only 500 of them were made. VW tried again when the Mk2 Polo was facelifted in 1990, and right-hand-drive versions were even sold in the UK from 1991. But sadly only 616 of these right-handed 113bhp roller skates found homes by 1995.

VW tried the hot Polo thing again with the first Polo GTI in 2002. But much like the contemporary Golf GTI this was a bit soggy, and 123bhp wasn't really enough to do the badge justice, although VW shifted 3393 in the UK in three years. The 2005 Polo GTI made a move in the right direction, with 148bhp, but it still wasn't going to set alight the desire of many die-hard hot hatch fans.


But the folks at VW believe the time is finally right for a proper fast Polo. And they've invited us to test one on the performance car playground that is the road network above Crickhowell in south Wales - roads more normally associated with very fast machinery in magazine group tests - to prove that the new Polo GTI is it.

They've also brought along a pristine left-hook example of the old G40, the only previous Polo with any real performance kudos. This is partly to emphasize the fact that the new car - like its great grandfather - is supercharged, and partly to let us have a go. Which is awfully nice of them. But more on the G40 on PH soon.


First up is the important business of seeing if the new Polo GTI can provide serious driving fun (if that's not too much of an oxymoron). Although the car's spec sounds good - and 0-62mph in 6.9secs, with a top speed of 142mph is really not to be sniffed at - the first impressions when you get in the car are a little worrying.

Why? Because everything, from the alloys, to the red honeycomb grille, to the tartan seats, to the design of the dash screams shrunken Golf GTI. It's all very pleasant and high quality, but we were merely 'whelmed' when we drove the Golf GTI last year - and a proper VW GTI should, quite frankly, set your pants on fire. And if the Polo GTI copies the Golf's dynamic traits as faithfully as it has copied its cosmetic ones, then that may not be a good thing.


Fortunately it takes no more than a straight or two and a series of twisty bends to realise that our dynamic fears are unfounded; this car knows how to have fun. Yes, it's composed, and refined, and surefooted, and all those other things that non-petrolheads feels are important for everyday motoring, but you also realise more or less from the moment you first pitch it into a corner that the new Polo GTI is going to be a bit of a hoot.

Its steering is weighty but not leaden, responding to the camber and road surface changes with gentle, unobtrusive wriggles rather than smothering any useful information. Turn-in is also eager and, once you're settled into a corner, there's plenty of grip.


The Polo GTI's relative lightness (1184kg) and diminutive stance also mean it's more than happy to change direction, too. But this is a modern VW, so don't expect anything as dramatic as lift-off oversteer; a gentle tucking-in of the nose is all that greets that sort of provocation. Keep the traction and stability control on and you'll find the Polo GTI remains impeccably neutral, even if you try far too hard - although it works its magic in an impressively unobtrusive manner. You might just find it a bit dull and unadjustable mid-corner but, like we said, it is a modern VW...

The brakes, meanwhile, remain strong and fade-free even after quite a few miles of hard driving.


The supercharged, turbocharged 1.4 is a bit of a cracker too, feeling strong, linear and smooth right the way through the rev range - it's only got 177bhp, but it feels every bit as fast as a 197bhp Clio Renaultsport 200 and would, in all likelihood, give a Golf GTI a run for its money over give-and-take roads.

The seven-speed DSG 'box may be a sticking point for some, but it is undeniably effective (although if you're reading this VW, we would like a fully manual setting that lets us nudge the rev limiter without the gearbox changing up for you). It is now oh-so-nearly as involving as a full manual when you're trying to have fun, and of course far more easy to live with if you're stuck in traffic. We are performance purists on PH, so it pains us to say this, but the twin-clutch set-up in this Polo really is pretty good. Which is a good thing - because it's the only transmission available.


The other sticking point might well be the price: It's going to cost at least £18k, which means it's going to have to be measurably better than the £16,700 Renaultsport Clio 200 Cup. In terms of quality, and as an ownership experience, the Polo GTI will undeniably better its French rival. But as a driving machine, the hilariously enjoyable Clio would probably still have the edge.

Where the Polo perhaps scores an unfortunate victory is against the Golf GTI. Because it is a car you are more likely to want to drive hard, and it pushes those hot hatch buttons more effectively than its larger sibling. In fact, the Polo GTI kind of resurrects the chuckable-but-solid spirit of the old Mk2 Golf GTI. And that makes it rather endearing.



   
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va1o

Original Poster:

16,083 posts

223 months

Thursday 27th May 2010
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Awesome little car, I really like the look of them, can't wait to take one for a spin!

loudlashadjuster

5,727 posts

200 months

Thursday 27th May 2010
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That DSG box certainly helps pull a competitive 0-60 time from the relatively low 177hp output. The new Polo is a cracking looking motor, this looks to be a fitting range topper.

Nice work VW, one in black with some different wheels, please.

ZesPak

25,619 posts

212 months

Thursday 27th May 2010
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any quick ideas on the weight of the new polo?

Looks great, and a much better proposition than the Golf imo.



1.4 177bhp is pretty high for such a run-of-the-mill production car, isn't it?

Puk

125 posts

193 months

Thursday 27th May 2010
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When I read this, i'm seriously missing my G40.

This car did really put a laugh on my face everytime I pushed on the throttle !

the-photographer

4,056 posts

192 months

Thursday 27th May 2010
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I've got this engine (in 160PS tune) in the Golf. It's an excellent compromise of performance and economy, you can get ~40mpg if you only the SC, or the engine is really strong above 3500rpm (TC only).

I would be interested to compare the differences in the lighter weight Polo.

If you're interested, get a test drive, some people are sensitive to the SC 'lag', combined with the DSG 'thinking' at low speeds.

the-photographer

4,056 posts

192 months

Thursday 27th May 2010
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ZesPak said:
any quick ideas on the weight of the new polo?

Looks great, and a much better proposition than the Golf imo.

1.4 177bhp is pretty high for such a run-of-the-mill production car, isn't it?
The Polo GTI's relative lightness (1184kg)


If you want more, there are several remaps available (200-220PS)

Leicesterdave

2,288 posts

196 months

Thursday 27th May 2010
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ZesPak said:
any quick ideas on the weight of the new polo?

Looks great, and a much better proposition than the Golf imo.



1.4 177bhp is pretty high for such a run-of-the-mill production car, isn't it?
1184 kgs for the GTI- mentions it in the article. Looks like a great little car this!

ZesPak

25,619 posts

212 months

Thursday 27th May 2010
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Leicesterdave said:
ZesPak said:
any quick ideas on the weight of the new polo?

Looks great, and a much better proposition than the Golf imo.



1.4 177bhp is pretty high for such a run-of-the-mill production car, isn't it?
1184 kgs for the GTI- mentions it in the article. Looks like a great little car this!
getmecoat

sorry for that.

That's pretty light tough for a modern car! 177bhp should be fun!

VWNutta1985

16 posts

186 months

Thursday 27th May 2010
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I'd so tempted to trade in my 230bhp Golf GTI for that. Looks like how the Golf should be. Bit closer to the Mk1 size lol.

Well Done VW, I think at Last your making your cars exciting as standard, rather than cars with Potential for modders and tuners.

karl_h

223 posts

196 months

Thursday 27th May 2010
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I really can't help but wonder sometimes! The Seat Ibiza FR or Cupra are identical in basic chassis, engine and gearbox to this new Polo but have been consistantly given poor road tests. How can this be, I am no Heir Schumy but I can equate the short amount of time I have spent in the FR to the driving behavior described in the test. Yes the interior may not be as nice a place to be as the Polo (although is by no means bad) but externally the Ibiza is arguably much prettier than the Polo, which in the basic trim levels I have seen on the road is fairly dull!
Add to this that the Ibiza is a fair bit cheaper, why is the same car being given different oppinions!
I may be wrong and there could well be subtle differences that make the cars wildly different but so far it just seems to be a bit of badge snobbery.

TheRoadWarrior

1,241 posts

194 months

Thursday 27th May 2010
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I find VW a curious company. The polo GTI is an opportunity for them to reach out to a different segment of the market than normal, the Golf is too grown up and boring these days.. a hot polo could be a riot to drive and differ from the Golf by not being all safety first etc etc. The DSG box for a start would put off most petrol heads- i'm not saying there is anything wrong with DSG in the right car, but imo this is the sort of car begging for a manual.

Seems like its trying to be a golf GTI for people who cant afford a golf GTI... but then I guess thats VW through and through.

snorkel sucker

2,695 posts

219 months

Thursday 27th May 2010
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the bit that jumps out at me is its weight - quite a decent figure in this day and age and from what riggers says it makes the car exactly what a junior hot hatch should be; light and nimble to hustle

have heard good things about the engine, too, and although it doesnt fill me with joy knowing it only comes with a dsg 'box, having used one, it really is a great tool and could actually see myself owing a car with it at some point

it is refreshing to see someone like VW produce a car thats got the fun factor; a little like they did with the mk5 golf gti after all those years in the doldrums. Love the looks too - the last gen polo gti didnt do it for me but this one actually looks more in proportion than the rather flabby gti

a used one of these in 12 months to replace my 130i could be very tempting....(with a cheeky remap of course!)

TheRoadWarrior

1,241 posts

194 months

Thursday 27th May 2010
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snorkel sucker said:
the bit that jumps out at me is its weight - quite a decent figure in this day and age and from what riggers says it makes the car exactly what a junior hot hatch should be; light and nimble to hustle

have heard good things about the engine, too, and although it doesnt fill me with joy knowing it only comes with a dsg 'box, having used one, it really is a great tool and could actually see myself owing a car with it at some point

it is refreshing to see someone like VW produce a car thats got the fun factor; a little like they did with the mk5 golf gti after all those years in the doldrums. Love the looks too - the last gen polo gti didnt do it for me but this one actually looks more in proportion than the rather flabby gti

a used one of these in 12 months to replace my 130i could be very tempting....(with a cheeky remap of course!)
Cant help but think it might be a slightly risky second hand buy, both the DSG box and the fact you have a turbo and a supercharger to go wrong could make for some expensive motoring!

snorkel sucker

2,695 posts

219 months

Thursday 27th May 2010
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TheRoadWarrior said:
snorkel sucker said:
the bit that jumps out at me is its weight - quite a decent figure in this day and age and from what riggers says it makes the car exactly what a junior hot hatch should be; light and nimble to hustle

have heard good things about the engine, too, and although it doesnt fill me with joy knowing it only comes with a dsg 'box, having used one, it really is a great tool and could actually see myself owing a car with it at some point

it is refreshing to see someone like VW produce a car thats got the fun factor; a little like they did with the mk5 golf gti after all those years in the doldrums. Love the looks too - the last gen polo gti didnt do it for me but this one actually looks more in proportion than the rather flabby gti

a used one of these in 12 months to replace my 130i could be very tempting....(with a cheeky remap of course!)
Cant help but think it might be a slightly risky second hand buy, both the DSG box and the fact you have a turbo and a supercharger to go wrong could make for some expensive motoring!
hmmmm...not sure i agree. the engine has been around for a couple of years now and seems to be getting on ok....

call me naive but ive never been one to worry about modern engines. If manufacturers havent moved on enough to provide an engine that is capable of lasting more than 3-4 years then something is seriously amiss!

Have owned a string of high performance cars over the last few years, driven upto 30k per year, been on trackdays and have driven them very hard at times and not one has had an issue

Neil G60

693 posts

240 months

Thursday 27th May 2010
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I thought the Polo G40 came in RHD?

the-photographer

4,056 posts

192 months

Thursday 27th May 2010
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TheRoadWarrior said:
Cant help but think it might be a slightly risky second hand buy, both the DSG box and the fact you have a turbo and a supercharger to go wrong could make for some expensive motoring!
The engine doesnt seem to suffer any major problems (coil packs, chocolate camshaft etc), have a look at http://uk-mkivs.net or the PH VAG forum. However, I'm hoping they have fixed the SC squeak problem, related to the waterpump and magnetic clutch.

The 7-speed DSG is too new to determine its long term reliability.

loudlashadjuster

5,727 posts

200 months

Thursday 27th May 2010
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snorkel sucker said:
TheRoadWarrior said:
snorkel sucker said:
the bit that jumps out at me is its weight - quite a decent figure in this day and age and from what riggers says it makes the car exactly what a junior hot hatch should be; light and nimble to hustle

have heard good things about the engine, too, and although it doesnt fill me with joy knowing it only comes with a dsg 'box, having used one, it really is a great tool and could actually see myself owing a car with it at some point

it is refreshing to see someone like VW produce a car thats got the fun factor; a little like they did with the mk5 golf gti after all those years in the doldrums. Love the looks too - the last gen polo gti didnt do it for me but this one actually looks more in proportion than the rather flabby gti

a used one of these in 12 months to replace my 130i could be very tempting....(with a cheeky remap of course!)
Cant help but think it might be a slightly risky second hand buy, both the DSG box and the fact you have a turbo and a supercharger to go wrong could make for some expensive motoring!
hmmmm...not sure i agree. the engine has been around for a couple of years now and seems to be getting on ok....

call me naive but ive never been one to worry about modern engines. If manufacturers havent moved on enough to provide an engine that is capable of lasting more than 3-4 years then something is seriously amiss!

Have owned a string of high performance cars over the last few years, driven upto 30k per year, been on trackdays and have driven them very hard at times and not one has had an issue
Agreed. Manufacturers are not ones to gamble offering warranties on potentially unreliable kit and modern forced induction setups (at least 50% of all cars sold must be turbos nowawadays) are as reliable as they need to be, that is 100k+ miles without major mechanical replacement required.

Even 15 years ago, high performance and long term durability were not a real challenge for a decent manufacturer, think early Evos, Imprezas, many of which comfortably managed 150k+ miles without serious issue.

Scaremongering talk on Pistonheads of fear of buying a 2-3yo performance car is, IMHO, just silly.

[AJ]

3,079 posts

214 months

Thursday 27th May 2010
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I guess this is akin to the RS Clio Cup v's RS Megane Cup. Hatches are getting so big and heavy these days and they may have plenty of power, but it's often the smaller siblings that are more fun to drive.

Riggers

1,859 posts

194 months

Thursday 27th May 2010
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Neil G60 said:
I thought the Polo G40 came in RHD?
First one didn't (pre-facelift 1985 job), facelift version did get RHD (think that's what I said in the article... wink

Staffy1984

316 posts

196 months

Thursday 27th May 2010
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Neil G60 said:
I thought the Polo G40 came in RHD?
That was the Mk 2 Polo released in 1990