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Pride; a sense thereof; and its apparent disappearance.
From teenage pregnancies, to the state of front gardens to shopping in your pyjamas, our national sense of personal pride (and the intrinsically linked shame) have beeen blamed for many of the apparent ills in today's society.
How could personal pride ever be reinstated? And is it a desirable goal?
From teenage pregnancies, to the state of front gardens to shopping in your pyjamas, our national sense of personal pride (and the intrinsically linked shame) have beeen blamed for many of the apparent ills in today's society.
How could personal pride ever be reinstated? And is it a desirable goal?
Sadly I think the rot has already set so far in that you could never expect the reversal of the bad habits and lowered personal standards that have set in and blight this modern generation.
The fact is such people really don't care, even if there is a stigma, and even if everyone is looking at them like they are dregs.
The fact is such people really don't care, even if there is a stigma, and even if everyone is looking at them like they are dregs.
V8mate said:
Pride; a sense thereof; and its apparent disappearance.
From teenage pregnancies, to the state of front gardens to shopping in your pyjamas, our national sense of personal pride (and the intrinsically linked shame) have beeen blamed for many of the apparent ills in today's society.
Sorry, Helmut, haven't been to Berlin for a couple of years so couldn't really comment.From teenage pregnancies, to the state of front gardens to shopping in your pyjamas, our national sense of personal pride (and the intrinsically linked shame) have beeen blamed for many of the apparent ills in today's society.
We could talk about the UK if you like?
V8mate said:
Pride; a sense thereof; and its apparent disappearance.
From teenage pregnancies, to the state of front gardens to shopping in your pyjamas, our national sense of personal pride (and the intrinsically linked shame) have beeen blamed for many of the apparent ills in today's society.
How could personal pride ever be reinstated? And is it a desirable goal?
Stop hanging around council estates, reading the Daily mail and switch off BBC News 24 and you'll find things aren't as bad you think From teenage pregnancies, to the state of front gardens to shopping in your pyjamas, our national sense of personal pride (and the intrinsically linked shame) have beeen blamed for many of the apparent ills in today's society.
How could personal pride ever be reinstated? And is it a desirable goal?

marsred said:
V8mate said:
Pride; a sense thereof; and its apparent disappearance.
From teenage pregnancies, to the state of front gardens to shopping in your pyjamas, our national sense of personal pride (and the intrinsically linked shame) have beeen blamed for many of the apparent ills in today's society.
How could personal pride ever be reinstated? And is it a desirable goal?
Stop hanging around council estates, reading the Daily mail and switch off BBC News 24 and you'll find things aren't as bad you think From teenage pregnancies, to the state of front gardens to shopping in your pyjamas, our national sense of personal pride (and the intrinsically linked shame) have beeen blamed for many of the apparent ills in today's society.
How could personal pride ever be reinstated? And is it a desirable goal?


@JAYB - it's not easy sorting out the UK's problems whilst simultaneously masterminding the invasion of Poland, you know! Though, remind me why Poland's worth invading

V8mate said:
marsred said:
V8mate said:
Pride; a sense thereof; and its apparent disappearance.
From teenage pregnancies, to the state of front gardens to shopping in your pyjamas, our national sense of personal pride (and the intrinsically linked shame) have beeen blamed for many of the apparent ills in today's society.
How could personal pride ever be reinstated? And is it a desirable goal?
Stop hanging around council estates, reading the Daily mail and switch off BBC News 24 and you'll find things aren't as bad you think From teenage pregnancies, to the state of front gardens to shopping in your pyjamas, our national sense of personal pride (and the intrinsically linked shame) have beeen blamed for many of the apparent ills in today's society.
How could personal pride ever be reinstated? And is it a desirable goal?


@JAYB - it's not easy sorting out the UK's problems whilst simultaneously masterminding the invasion of Poland, you know! Though, remind me why Poland's worth invading

V8mate said:
marsred said:
V8mate said:
Pride; a sense thereof; and its apparent disappearance.
From teenage pregnancies, to the state of front gardens to shopping in your pyjamas, our national sense of personal pride (and the intrinsically linked shame) have beeen blamed for many of the apparent ills in today's society.
How could personal pride ever be reinstated? And is it a desirable goal?
Stop hanging around council estates, reading the Daily mail and switch off BBC News 24 and you'll find things aren't as bad you think From teenage pregnancies, to the state of front gardens to shopping in your pyjamas, our national sense of personal pride (and the intrinsically linked shame) have beeen blamed for many of the apparent ills in today's society.
How could personal pride ever be reinstated? And is it a desirable goal?


@JAYB - it's not easy sorting out the UK's problems whilst simultaneously masterminding the invasion of Poland, you know! Though, remind me why Poland's worth invading

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...we'd need someone else to start that, then conscript the right people to go and make them stop.