Why is this so expensive
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I am totally lost in the mine field of buying a cerbera 
, went to look at a 2002 4.5 @ a dealer with 17k, looked the part and had history but not all the extra's just service stamps.
then came across this http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1767707.htm , but this seems so expensive for 98 model car, with high miles!!!
Am i missing something, very tempted to buy the car from the dealer (comes with a 12 month warranty as well)
thanks again for the continued advice
, went to look at a 2002 4.5 @ a dealer with 17k, looked the part and had history but not all the extra's just service stamps. then came across this http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1767707.htm , but this seems so expensive for 98 model car, with high miles!!!
Am i missing something, very tempted to buy the car from the dealer (comes with a 12 month warranty as well)
thanks again for the continued advice
Not sure that less than 4K pa is 'high' miles... Dont be suckered into buying a low mileage car.
Donnys car is a good one - well maintained.
The 17K miles one in Newcastle has (I think) been for sale for quite some time. It is a one owner car - I would take a look at the V5 and see if u can contact the previous owner - he might be able to prove it has been well maintained.
Ideally you want to find a car that has had loads of money thrown at it - one where the owner tells you he hasnt spent a penny and its been a dream MIGHT be more likely to throw up plenty of probs, certainly where the miles are low.
Donnys car is a good one - well maintained.
The 17K miles one in Newcastle has (I think) been for sale for quite some time. It is a one owner car - I would take a look at the V5 and see if u can contact the previous owner - he might be able to prove it has been well maintained.
Ideally you want to find a car that has had loads of money thrown at it - one where the owner tells you he hasnt spent a penny and its been a dream MIGHT be more likely to throw up plenty of probs, certainly where the miles are low.
46K isn't 'high miles' for a '98 car. 17K miles however is suspiciously low miles for a 2002 - not 'suspicious' in the sense that it may have been clocked (rarely an issue in the TVR world) but I would certainly want to know why someone would only drive 2K miles a year in a Cerbera. It raises suspicions about it not having been terribly reliable or not that nice to drive - as with all TVRs there are real gems and real dogs out there, some of the latter get sorted by a switched-on owner and their garage of choice, some just get neglected by an owner that just loses interest at some point but never gets around to selling it (I mean, who are you going to burden with it without the occasional pang of guilt to start with. Better take a dealer's cash and run, then 
).
The thing to remember is that each car is different from the other in many ways - unless it's seriously overpriced by any standards I'd not a priori discount one or the other without having looked at it, driven it and felt out the seller.
). The thing to remember is that each car is different from the other in many ways - unless it's seriously overpriced by any standards I'd not a priori discount one or the other without having looked at it, driven it and felt out the seller.
If the Newcastle one hasnt had water pipes, clutch, fuel pipes, rad, battery, suspension (at least serviced) etc in the last couple of yrs then there are some bills looming. The warranty that comes with the car will probably not help much if at all.
Personally I would get it inspected. It has been for sale for at least 6 months and so isnt going anywhere quick. Not sure who is nearest to Newcastle - could Hexham Horseless inspect it (up on the ramps etc)...? I wouldnt get a one man band inspection. You cant inspect these cars properly without ramps, test drives, technical knowledge etc
Personally I would get it inspected. It has been for sale for at least 6 months and so isnt going anywhere quick. Not sure who is nearest to Newcastle - could Hexham Horseless inspect it (up on the ramps etc)...? I wouldnt get a one man band inspection. You cant inspect these cars properly without ramps, test drives, technical knowledge etc
Thanks again, its good to know when i find a car, i will have a bible of useful help and info, i am in Surrey so Newcastle is a fair trek, i will try and find some more history about the car, but if its been for sale for over 6 months then a deal could be done, my mate in newcastle went to take a look at if for me and said it looked and drove nicely..
I think the old addage of 'buy on condition, not age/mileage' could be expanded to include provenance. If it was my money and I liked the colour (which I do) then I'd be buying the pinky/red one. The amount of work it has had done, plus the joy it has given the owner means it is almost certainly a 'plum'. LOL - a plum 'plum' one in fact.
My Griff went in for its first service this week at Racing Green. They have a great reputation and I was expecting a phone call saying they have found a million niggley things to fix. They didn't find a single one and that is a testament to the massive amount of work done by the previous owner who sold the car with a big pile of reciepts. These cars need TLC. Buy one from someone who has spent all their money on it so you don't have to.
My Griff went in for its first service this week at Racing Green. They have a great reputation and I was expecting a phone call saying they have found a million niggley things to fix. They didn't find a single one and that is a testament to the massive amount of work done by the previous owner who sold the car with a big pile of reciepts. These cars need TLC. Buy one from someone who has spent all their money on it so you don't have to.
I would be more inclined to buy a car that has been used and serviced regulary rather than one that has stood still for long periods and as for the one in the advert just look at the attention that car has had, it looks like it has never wanted for anything. As for a few stone chips they are going to happen whatever you do as the front of these cars seem to attract stones. All in my opinion of course. As for the high mileage mine has just clocked 60k with a few track days thrown in and it is still going strong.
The prices of these cars are hard to analyse, in an imperical fashion.
I sold my last cerb (a 99 4.5) 3 years ago for about £15K I think. It had had a recent engine rebuild and had all the extras (Nitrons etc) - I had lavished about £10k on it? I sold the previous one for about the same 2 years earlier and had spent over £12K on that one!
I think, that as these cars get older finding a good one is harder and harder. People often skimp (just ask a few indies!). So a good one is worth a premium.
I sold my last cerb (a 99 4.5) 3 years ago for about £15K I think. It had had a recent engine rebuild and had all the extras (Nitrons etc) - I had lavished about £10k on it? I sold the previous one for about the same 2 years earlier and had spent over £12K on that one!
I think, that as these cars get older finding a good one is harder and harder. People often skimp (just ask a few indies!). So a good one is worth a premium.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1772773.htm this one has just gone up which also seems to tick all the right boxes, but its at 10,995, help help, i dont mind spending the right amount for the right car, but i am confused as to what the right amount and car is
Reading advert it has not been scrimped on and probably is a much better car than when it left the factory. I personally don't think that is over priced, yes there are cheaper/under priced cars out there. Its supply and demand and I'd pay that for a sorted Cerb all day long, perhaps that's just me.
markjo said:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1772773.htm this one has just gone up which also seems to tick all the right boxes, but its at 10,995, help help, i dont mind spending the right amount for the right car, but i am confused as to what the right amount and car is
Seems, on face value, well priced. Dont know how it has 'TVR' FSH - TVR hasnt existed for a few years.
It talks about short induction and then a jools chip for earlier fan kick in. No mention of remap for short induction. That would need questioning. You dont really want to run a car with short induction and no remap.
The lights at the rear could do with replacing. The fronts would look better back to pods. All IMHO.
The wheels could do with going back to silver.
No mention of chassis. That would worry me. Would need careful checking.
No mention of how long it was owned for.
Gazzab said:
markjo said:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1772773.htm this one has just gone up which also seems to tick all the right boxes, but its at 10,995, help help, i dont mind spending the right amount for the right car, but i am confused as to what the right amount and car is
Seems, on face value, well priced. Dont know how it has 'TVR' FSH - TVR hasnt existed for a few years.
It talks about short induction and then a jools chip for earlier fan kick in. No mention of remap for short induction. That would need questioning. You dont really want to run a car with short induction and no remap.
The lights at the rear could do with replacing. The fronts would look better back to pods. All IMHO.
The wheels could do with going back to silver.
No mention of chassis. That would worry me. Would need careful checking.
No mention of how long it was owned for.
To the original poster. As a general rule you get what you pay for and people charge what a car is worth. If that plum coloured car is as good as the advert says it is then the asking price is reasonable. If you go for a car with less history/upgrades etc then it stands to reason that work will need to be done while you own it. If you don't get the work done at a well known TVR dealer then when you come to sell you'll get people making the same comments about your car as they are about the ones you are looking at at the moment. To that end I think you need to decide what you want to do. Do you want to own a Cerbera and get your local mechanic to keep it on the road by doing basically the bare minimum or do you want a fully sorted Cerbera that you're going to take to the dealer for service and repairs? I get the feeling you want a great Cerb for average Cerb money. You might find one, but it will probably take a long time and you'll be up against a lot of competition.
Well, to be honest prices for TVRs in this age range do seem to be all over the place and back when I was shopping for my Chimaera I didn't find much correlation between asking price and quality (aside from mileage/cosmetics) either so it stands to reason the OP is confused. Best to look at/drive/ask owners' experiences about as many cars as possible, and keeping a bit of cash in the bank to get the car you end up buying the way you want it to be is generally a good idea, too.
Edited by 900T-R on Sunday 6th June 15:47
SonicHedgeHog said:
Gazzab said:
markjo said:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1772773.htm this one has just gone up which also seems to tick all the right boxes, but its at 10,995, help help, i dont mind spending the right amount for the right car, but i am confused as to what the right amount and car is
Seems, on face value, well priced. Dont know how it has 'TVR' FSH - TVR hasnt existed for a few years.
It talks about short induction and then a jools chip for earlier fan kick in. No mention of remap for short induction. That would need questioning. You dont really want to run a car with short induction and no remap.
The lights at the rear could do with replacing. The fronts would look better back to pods. All IMHO.
The wheels could do with going back to silver.
No mention of chassis. That would worry me. Would need careful checking.
No mention of how long it was owned for.
To the original poster. As a general rule you get what you pay for and people charge what a car is worth. If that plum coloured car is as good as the advert says it is then the asking price is reasonable. If you go for a car with less history/upgrades etc then it stands to reason that work will need to be done while you own it. If you don't get the work done at a well known TVR dealer then when you come to sell you'll get people making the same comments about your car as they are about the ones you are looking at at the moment. To that end I think you need to decide what you want to do. Do you want to own a Cerbera and get your local mechanic to keep it on the road by doing basically the bare minimum or do you want a fully sorted Cerbera that you're going to take to the dealer for service and repairs? I get the feeling you want a great Cerb for average Cerb money. You might find one, but it will probably take a long time and you'll be up against a lot of competition.
Gazzab said:
SonicHedgeHog said:
Gazzab said:
markjo said:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1772773.htm this one has just gone up which also seems to tick all the right boxes, but its at 10,995, help help, i dont mind spending the right amount for the right car, but i am confused as to what the right amount and car is
Seems, on face value, well priced. Dont know how it has 'TVR' FSH - TVR hasnt existed for a few years.
It talks about short induction and then a jools chip for earlier fan kick in. No mention of remap for short induction. That would need questioning. You dont really want to run a car with short induction and no remap.
The lights at the rear could do with replacing. The fronts would look better back to pods. All IMHO.
The wheels could do with going back to silver.
No mention of chassis. That would worry me. Would need careful checking.
No mention of how long it was owned for.
To the original poster. As a general rule you get what you pay for and people charge what a car is worth. If that plum coloured car is as good as the advert says it is then the asking price is reasonable. If you go for a car with less history/upgrades etc then it stands to reason that work will need to be done while you own it. If you don't get the work done at a well known TVR dealer then when you come to sell you'll get people making the same comments about your car as they are about the ones you are looking at at the moment. To that end I think you need to decide what you want to do. Do you want to own a Cerbera and get your local mechanic to keep it on the road by doing basically the bare minimum or do you want a fully sorted Cerbera that you're going to take to the dealer for service and repairs? I get the feeling you want a great Cerb for average Cerb money. You might find one, but it will probably take a long time and you'll be up against a lot of competition.
Edited by SonicHedgeHog on Sunday 6th June 17:01
Yes I am saying that (again.....). I am not sure why my posts count or number of TVRs owned is relevant but thanks for counting.
I think it can mean a number of things, I dont know which one this car is claiming:-
i) Serviced at correct intervals/mileage ie annual or every 6K at TVR dealers / ex-TVR dealers
ii) Serviced at correct intervals/mileage ie annual or every 6K at TVR dealers followed by recognised TVR independents once TVR stopped making cars.
iii) Not quite on time etc and combo of TVR dealers/ex-dealers/indies etc
iv) Above options plus not always used recognised garages etc etc
None of the above are, IMHO, Full TVR service history. But maybe I am being pedantic. some are closer than others. But without a trading manufacturer it isnt full TVR.
ps edited to add - if I was (for example) buying a porsche and it was advertised as full Porsche service history but one or more services were by an indie then I wouldnt be happy with the misleading ad.
I think it can mean a number of things, I dont know which one this car is claiming:-
i) Serviced at correct intervals/mileage ie annual or every 6K at TVR dealers / ex-TVR dealers
ii) Serviced at correct intervals/mileage ie annual or every 6K at TVR dealers followed by recognised TVR independents once TVR stopped making cars.
iii) Not quite on time etc and combo of TVR dealers/ex-dealers/indies etc
iv) Above options plus not always used recognised garages etc etc
None of the above are, IMHO, Full TVR service history. But maybe I am being pedantic. some are closer than others. But without a trading manufacturer it isnt full TVR.
ps edited to add - if I was (for example) buying a porsche and it was advertised as full Porsche service history but one or more services were by an indie then I wouldnt be happy with the misleading ad.
Edited by Gazzab on Sunday 6th June 17:12
This is my car thats up for sale,
some of us like me have to work away in our jobs, so just because its sat on the drive doing very little miles dont mean it's a nacker, yes it should now really have a remap , it was booked in with jool,s but we all no what happened there, im pretty sure the new owner can have it remapped at what im asking for it, ive not really used it with them fitted, but i could take them off and sell them as an extra ?? Chassis ive cleaned off the outriggers applyed rust prof painted / undersealed as bast i can, the last owner before me had this car when it was only a couple of years old up untill last year, ive had it 12 months And have gone to meets and shows with it via the tvr owners club, It's been service'd by Portfield,(New) Hawthorns SHG-TVR, APM Automotive-tvr, Dulford Automotive TVR,and Top Gear-tvr, sorry if these dont fall within some peoples world of not tvr Specialists, The only problem with this car is the small stone chips around the front and the odd mark here and there, It;s cheap (ish) as I want it GONE, not because it's a rott box Ive also just fitted new coil packs why because I had them, last owner also said there had just been a new 3 piece clutch fitted no paper work, but i don't disbelieve him, as it was in the garage having work done when I brought it, so there a little bit about my car on an open forum, it mite not be a total show and shine but it's a good car for the money,
Stuart
some of us like me have to work away in our jobs, so just because its sat on the drive doing very little miles dont mean it's a nacker, yes it should now really have a remap , it was booked in with jool,s but we all no what happened there, im pretty sure the new owner can have it remapped at what im asking for it, ive not really used it with them fitted, but i could take them off and sell them as an extra ?? Chassis ive cleaned off the outriggers applyed rust prof painted / undersealed as bast i can, the last owner before me had this car when it was only a couple of years old up untill last year, ive had it 12 months And have gone to meets and shows with it via the tvr owners club, It's been service'd by Portfield,(New) Hawthorns SHG-TVR, APM Automotive-tvr, Dulford Automotive TVR,and Top Gear-tvr, sorry if these dont fall within some peoples world of not tvr Specialists, The only problem with this car is the small stone chips around the front and the odd mark here and there, It;s cheap (ish) as I want it GONE, not because it's a rott box Ive also just fitted new coil packs why because I had them, last owner also said there had just been a new 3 piece clutch fitted no paper work, but i don't disbelieve him, as it was in the garage having work done when I brought it, so there a little bit about my car on an open forum, it mite not be a total show and shine but it's a good car for the money,
Stuart
Gazzab said:
markjo said:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1772773.htm this one has just gone up which also seems to tick all the right boxes, but its at 10,995, help help, i dont mind spending the right amount for the right car, but i am confused as to what the right amount and car is
Edited by exwinegtrr33 on Sunday 6th June 19:12
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