YouGov Poll - Negative views of Muslims

[zcacogp]

Interesting results from a YouGov poll, as reported by the BBC.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/10251827.stm

And they had some bint on R4 this morning trying to justify Islam as a religion of peace, justice, womens rights and environmentalism, "Inspired by Mohammed", allegedly. Oh, and why it was wrong to associate Islam with terrorism ...

I'm trying to find the full poll results; if anyone comes across them then do post 'em up here - ta!


Oli.

[hornetrider]

zcacogp said:

Oh, and why it was wrong to associate Islam with terrorism ...

Mmmmkay....

[Zod]

Be fair to the woman on the Today Programme; she was from the group that commissioned the poll out of concern at Islam's image in the UK.

I suspect the results will not have surprised her.

[Dracoro]

I think Islam can be "associated" with terrorism as much as Christianity can be (remember Ireland.....)

[ShadownINja]

Dracoro said:

I think Islam can be "associated" with terrorism as much as Christianity can be (remember Ireland.....)

I think you mean Catholicism.

[Dracoro]

ShadownINja said:

Dracoro said:

I think Islam can be "associated" with terrorism as much as Christianity can be (remember Ireland.....)

I think you mean Catholicism.

And Prostestantism (or whatever the word is )

Same thing for all intents and purpose, both christianity.

[ShadownINja]

Dracoro said:

ShadownINja said:

Dracoro said:

I think Islam can be "associated" with terrorism as much as Christianity can be (remember Ireland.....)

I think you mean Catholicism.

And Prostestantism (or whatever the word is )

Same thing for all intents and purpose, both christianity.

But the bombs in London and Manchester were the IRA's doing, not Protestants, IIRC.

[Dracoro]

I think you're going off on a different tangent. Anyway, were there no protestant terrorists?

The point is, catholics ARE christians. Catholism is a flavour of christianity.

[Pickled Piper]

zcacogp said:

I'm trying to find the full poll results; if anyone comes across them then do post 'em up here - ta!

The Exploring Islam Foundation website states the results will be published in June 2010, Nothing more specific.

The stated aims of the foundation on the website are laudable so I'll be interested to hear how this pans out. The stated aims of the EDL are also laudable if you take the website at face value!

pp

[FourWheelDrift]

Dracoro said:

Anyway, were there no protestant terrorists?

Loyalist Paramilitaries such as the Ulster Defence Association (UDA) and the Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF) and the Ulster Freedom Fighters to name but 3.

[ShadownINja]

Dracoro said:

I think you're going off on a different tangent. Anyway, were there no protestant terrorists?

The point is, catholics ARE christians. Catholism is a flavour of christianity.

I know what you meant but I think Catholics can be linked to terrorism more so than Christianity in general.

[zcacogp]

Pickled Piper said:

The Exploring Islam Foundation website states the results will be published in June 2010, Nothing more specific.

The stated aims of the foundation on the website are laudable so I'll be interested to hear how this pans out. The stated aims of the EDL are also laudable if you take the website at face value!

Most organisations have laudible aims on their website - as you point out. Would be daft to have a public-facing website that appears repugnant!

I wonder why the poll results are being withheld. I suspect they are cooking up just the right amount of spin around them ...


Oli.

[Einion Yrth]

ShadownINja said:

Dracoro said:

I think you're going off on a different tangent. Anyway, were there no protestant terrorists?

The point is, catholics ARE christians. Catholism is a flavour of christianity.

I know what you meant but I think Catholics can be linked to terrorism more so than Christianity in general.

Plenty of protestant (loyalist, UVF) bombs in Belfast and Dublin during the troubles, or is it only terrorism if it happens in London and Manchester?

[Jasandjules]

Dracoro said:

I think Islam can be "associated" with terrorism as much as Christianity can be (remember Ireland.....)

So in summary - Religion can be associated with terrorism.

No great shock that many British feel Islam represses women etc though.

[Funk]

Jasandjules said:

Dracoro said:

I think Islam can be "associated" with terrorism as much as Christianity can be (remember Ireland.....)

So in summary - Religion can be associated with terrorism.

No great shock that many British feel Islam represses women etc though.

It therefore follows that if you ban religion, you'd solve the terrorism issue.

[Jasandjules]

Funk said:

It therefore follows that if you ban religion, you'd solve the terrorism issue.

Not quite because you still have the political terrorists (such as ETA etc), but it could help.

Not to mention that banning religion would lead to far more religious terrorism against the state and the enforcement of the ban.

[driverrob]

No-one has mentioned the crusades of the 15th (?) century and the atrocities committed by them in the name of religion.

That aside, I've met and talked to a number of Islamic men and women on our travels. None of the women felt themselves oppressed and the men were peaceful, polite and extremely respectful of women. I've no idea if they represented the majority or not; just my experience.

[ShadownINja]

Einion Yrth said:

ShadownINja said:

Dracoro said:

I think you're going off on a different tangent. Anyway, were there no protestant terrorists?

The point is, catholics ARE christians. Catholism is a flavour of christianity.

I know what you meant but I think Catholics can be linked to terrorism more so than Christianity in general.

Plenty of protestant (loyalist, UVF) bombs in Belfast and Dublin during the troubles, or is it only terrorism if it happens in London and Manchester?

It's about the perception, not reality.

[ln1234]

driverrob said:

I've met and talked to a number of Islamic men and women on our travels. None of the women felt themselves oppressed and the men were peaceful, polite and extremely respectful of women. I've no idea if they represented the majority or not; just my experience.

You can't say stuff like that. This is PH you know - only conjecture and a daily mail article will do i'm afraid.

I would much rather hear the views of folks that know muslims, rather that the ones that have seen the EDL marches and the scary ninja's walking the streets.

[mrmr96]

driverrob said:

No-one has mentioned the crusades of the 15th (?) century and the atrocities committed by them in the name of religion

Christians have generally moved on a bit in the last 500 years, so while history is important and not to be forgotten it is false to say that this justifies the Islamic Terrorism we're seeing in modern times.

"Two wrongs don't make a right." as they say.