Why are people more wary of 'high mileage' in a GT3/SC etc?
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As the titles says really, perhaps it isn't true but I get the feeling that when a Porsche GT3 or a Ferrari CS that has been used shall we say is up for sale the car is avoided by more people due to this fact.
I am guessing the engines in these type of cars are very strong indeed and therefore it could be argued handle the miles better than their 'normal' street versions.
Even if the car shows not to have been tracked the mileage still scares buyers, I gues the carbon brakes etc could be expensive to replace after a decent amount of mileage but is that it?
Or maybe I am wrong altogether, it is just an observation from reading posts and prices.
I am guessing the engines in these type of cars are very strong indeed and therefore it could be argued handle the miles better than their 'normal' street versions.
Even if the car shows not to have been tracked the mileage still scares buyers, I gues the carbon brakes etc could be expensive to replace after a decent amount of mileage but is that it?
Or maybe I am wrong altogether, it is just an observation from reading posts and prices.
Unfortunately the high-mileage thing is self-perpetuating.
I personally believe condition is far more important than mileage in assessing the actual quality of a used car, but I'm also aware that higher-mileage cars are harder to sell on. Therefore I am more wary of such cars and would expect the mileage to be reflected in a lower selling price.
This is particularly relevant with high-value models where preserving resale value is of critical importance.
It's the same thing with colour - I personally don't care too much about what colour my car comes in, but I would be mad to buy a green Ferrari or a mauve Porsche unless it was heavily discounted.
I personally believe condition is far more important than mileage in assessing the actual quality of a used car, but I'm also aware that higher-mileage cars are harder to sell on. Therefore I am more wary of such cars and would expect the mileage to be reflected in a lower selling price.
This is particularly relevant with high-value models where preserving resale value is of critical importance.
It's the same thing with colour - I personally don't care too much about what colour my car comes in, but I would be mad to buy a green Ferrari or a mauve Porsche unless it was heavily discounted.
I think I understand the reasons for it, and I am pretty sure this type of engine would be better placed to handle more miles or the same amount? But I want to know if their is a perceived problem with the engine itself.
For example.
Modern Porsche 911 60,000 miles no huge problem.
Modern Porsche GT3, same age 60,000 miles potentially hard to shift, creates debate etc.
My point, if I have one! is that the GT3 engine might even be better placed to do the miles than its standard cousin, or am I wrong?
For example.
Modern Porsche 911 60,000 miles no huge problem.
Modern Porsche GT3, same age 60,000 miles potentially hard to shift, creates debate etc.
My point, if I have one! is that the GT3 engine might even be better placed to do the miles than its standard cousin, or am I wrong?
plenty said:
Unfortunately the high-mileage thing is self-perpetuating.
I personally believe condition is far more important than mileage in assessing the actual quality of a used car, but I'm also aware that higher-mileage cars are harder to sell on. Therefore I am more wary of such cars and would expect the mileage to be reflected in a lower selling price.
Completely true. I was starting to take a serious look at E39 M5's not long ago. They're a strong car and very useable so there are plenty of good examples around with 150,000 miles plus. Trouble is that I could take that up to 200,000 within 3 years or so and I'd be worried that the I'd have to give the car away even if it was perfect. It's weird, I almost feel morally obliged to buck the trend and by a mega mileage car but I wouldn't want to do so in the knowledge that I'd be stuck with it.I personally believe condition is far more important than mileage in assessing the actual quality of a used car, but I'm also aware that higher-mileage cars are harder to sell on. Therefore I am more wary of such cars and would expect the mileage to be reflected in a lower selling price.
How likely is it that loads of those miles will have been on track a full tilt? With a CS, that is pretty much what they were built for, and I guess the same could be said of the GT3 (although the RS version would be the choice). Point is, you could probably do 200k gentle miles in either car with no problems, but any car would suffer high wear rates at increased load, and both these examples are cars that people likely buy with a good thrashing in mind.
I'd still get one though! ;-)
I'd still get one though! ;-)
Could it not just be the case that as either car gets older and needs parts being replaced on a more regular basis that the high performance models are more expensive in terms of part prices? As you mentioned carbon brakes. Does a CS or Scuderia have the same clutch as the base model? Is the service interval on a GT3 the same as a Carrera 2? I imagine a new exhaust for an M5 is considerably more than a 520d rep mobile.
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
birdcage said:
But why is the race engine deemed weaker than the standard engine?
Probably best to concentrate on the rest of the car. At higher mileages brakes, suspension (inc bushes) clutch, rad, other ancilliaries, paint, seats, etc potentially all need to be replaced and are likely to be more expensive on the GT3. Then there's chassis/shell fatigue.
R11ysf said:
Could it not just be the case that as either car gets older and needs parts being replaced on a more regular basis that the high performance models are more expensive in terms of part prices? As you mentioned carbon brakes. Does a CS or Scuderia have the same clutch as the base model? Is the service interval on a GT3 the same as a Carrera 2? I imagine a new exhaust for an M5 is considerably more than a 520d rep mobile.
Just a thought.
Couldn't you have posted a minute earlier?Just a thought.
JR said:
R11ysf said:
Could it not just be the case that as either car gets older and needs parts being replaced on a more regular basis that the high performance models are more expensive in terms of part prices? As you mentioned carbon brakes. Does a CS or Scuderia have the same clutch as the base model? Is the service interval on a GT3 the same as a Carrera 2? I imagine a new exhaust for an M5 is considerably more than a 520d rep mobile.
Just a thought.
Couldn't you have posted a minute earlier?Just a thought.
birdcage said:
But why is the race engine deemed weaker than the standard engine?
It's not "weaker", it's just a more stressed engine. Anything in a high state of tune is going to suffer more wear and tear, hence the big lazy Yank V8's that last for hundreds of thousands of miles with little more than oil changes.Bit of a double-edge sword really. If it was purely for investment, then regardless of the reality of use etc, the low mileage car is generally always gonna be worth more. Historically it does seem exotics do tend to keep their mileage very low.
Also, if the car has been used with spirit for alot of miles then you are going to be wanting investment in suspension and brake parts to keep the car driving absolutely A1 (which is probably why you bought the car) and no doubt that would not be cheap.
Personally, i'd be most keen on one of the rare cars that has done a few miles but has avoided the track. Someone rather clever once told me the approximate ratio of car wear n tear between track use and normal road use and it was pretty dramatic. Something i've found from visits to the track.
Also, if the car has been used with spirit for alot of miles then you are going to be wanting investment in suspension and brake parts to keep the car driving absolutely A1 (which is probably why you bought the car) and no doubt that would not be cheap.
Personally, i'd be most keen on one of the rare cars that has done a few miles but has avoided the track. Someone rather clever once told me the approximate ratio of car wear n tear between track use and normal road use and it was pretty dramatic. Something i've found from visits to the track.
steve singh said:
Trommel said:
They're nearly all clocked in any case.
Particularly in the case of Fezza's - if we believe those that buy them tell us....
The only thing thats changed over the past decade or two, is that these days the people who do this sort of thing use a laptop, rather than disconecting the speedo!
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