Hot tub on roof terrace?
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gilla

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Wednesday 9th June 2010
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What checks would I need to do before putting a hot tub on the roof terrace of my new flat? It's a converted factory with a decked roof terrace, the decking has enough support to handle the weight but I have no idea of the construction of the flat roof area underneath... any advice welcome.

Oh and yes I fully intend to use it with those of the fairer sex, any jokes, perversions, and most importantly ideas are more than welcome wink

silverthorn2151

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202 months

Wednesday 9th June 2010
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Loads of checks to do.

Does your lease permit this?

How are you going to get water to it, and from it? Is the hot water system man enough for the job.

The construction of the roof will need to be checked by a structural engineer. That may involve investigations at the local authority to determine the construction, and may involve intrusive investigation on site.

The weight of hot tubs is potentially very high and the roof may need strengthening.

FAR from straightfoward, and she must be a cutie to justify that amount of effort. Cheaper to take her to a spa for the day and 'bash her back doors in' (which I believe is the favoured PH foreplay technique) in the changing rooms.




gilla

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Wednesday 9th June 2010
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Back doors serviced thanks (lad etc etc) wink

Sod the lease, I've only got a 2 year extendable lease on the place (rented obviously). I'm now thinking more of an inflatable one anyway just for convenience, they're self heating, removable and weigh less. There's a tap on the roof terrace and the drainage is good so I guess theat leaves:

Structural engineer, reckon the weight will be about 1.5t when full. Not too bad but bad enough to cause disaster if I chance it without getting it checked properly biggrin

KrazyIvan

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198 months

Wednesday 9th June 2010
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gilla said:
Structural engineer, reckon the weight will be about 1.5t when full. Not too bad but bad enough to cause disaster if I chance it without getting it checked properly biggrin
You sure of this, 1 cubic meter of water weighs 1000kg, so either is really small or you may want to work that out again

ETA seems a small one is about 1300kg and a large one 3200kg,


Edited by KrazyIvan on Wednesday 9th June 14:15

gilla

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Wednesday 9th June 2010
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Not sure of it at all, asked a bloke on the phone what the weight was, thanks for that will ask to speak to someone who knows what they're talking about next time I call wink

CraigW

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305 months

Wednesday 9th June 2010
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cue a post in 3 weeks "my hot tub went through my ceiling and now I'm being sued"

gilla

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biggrin that's the concern fella, hence the OP and the desire not to cowboy it!! Might be an idea to check lease conditions but... I don't recall there being a clause saying no hot tubs and honeys on the roof

scratchchin

herbialfa

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225 months

Wednesday 9th June 2010
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If Its a relatively new conversion it should be fairly straight forward to check the construction.

Phone your L.A. and speak to Building Control. Ask them to dig out the application for the conversion. Then go and visit the L.A. offices. This will save you fannying about waiting for the file. Trust me!!!!

As its a public file you can get copies of whatever you need (at a charge). Then speak to an Engineer on the feasibility!

If you do go ahead then post pics of afore mentioned hottie!

ITS THE LAW!!!!!

rhinochopig

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221 months

Wednesday 9th June 2010
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My money is on the the fantasy being replaced by the reality of too much red tape; resulting a Thomas the Tank Engine paddling pool, fish tank aerator, and not quite as many honeys as first expected.

silverthorn2151

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Wednesday 9th June 2010
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herbialfa said:
As its a public file you can get copies of whatever you need (at a charge). Then speak to an Engineer on the feasibility!
Just to be a nerdy surveyor for a moment, you're right, head for Building Control, but they may not give you a copy of information they have on file, although you can look at it if you have sufficient interest and a note of authority from the building owner. You can make notes of what you see, but some won't give you copies, citing copyright and all sorts of old bollix. Unless you know what you are looking for that will be no use at all.

We have come up against this a couple of times recently and they wanted permission to relaese from the original architect. Planning drawings are different are are a matter of public record.

Having said that, best bet is to make an appointment to see the Building Control Officer and explain what's involved, he will probably look things out for you and will probably give you what you need, thus avoiding the jobsworth administration nazi's!


OP: You say that the drainage is ok. It's ok for rain falling on the roof, and will be designed for a 1 in a 100yr storm or something. Empty a hot tub too quickly and it'll be a biblical storm.

You can't just ignore the lease either. The chap you are renting from is holding the lease and you'll be on streets toot sweet if he finds out and hasn't given permission.

gilla

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Wednesday 9th June 2010
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rhinochopig said:
My money is on the the fantasy being replaced by the reality of too much red tape; resulting a Thomas the Tank Engine paddling pool, fish tank aerator, and not quite as many honeys as first expected.
biggrin and me in speedos being the picture?

The only planned honey is the current bird (if she's around long enough)... and some of her mates, it was their idea tbh. You may well be right about the red tape but it'd be plain wrong not to try.

Herbialfa - It is quite recent, thanks for the advice.

gilla

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silverthorn2151 said:
OP: You say that the drainage is ok. It's ok for rain falling on the roof, and will be designed for a 1 in a 100yr storm or something. Empty a hot tub too quickly and it'll be a biblical storm.

You can't just ignore the lease either. The chap you are renting from is holding the lease and you'll be on streets toot sweet if he finds out and hasn't given permission.
I realise the drainage will need to be done slowly and gradually, but thanks. In terms of the lease, I'll go through the red tape 1st, if it's possible without any alterations I'll approach the owner. If it becomes too much like hard work I won't have bothered them thus avoiding any hassle.

herbialfa

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225 months

Wednesday 9th June 2010
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Understood ST!

But you can always sketch what you see and hand that to an Engineer!

Do the groundwork yourself to keep costs down!

I know I can get copies from my L.A.!

bazh

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215 months

Wednesday 9th June 2010
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The small inflatable lay-z spa's are 900 litres thus 0.9 tonnes, so using my unprofessional opinion i'd say its fine. What's the worse that could happen....

gilla

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bazh said:
The small inflatable lay-z spa's are 900 litres thus 0.9 tonnes, so using my unprofessional opinion i'd say its fine. What's the worse that could happen....
Good call... I'll order one now

Busamav

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Wednesday 9th June 2010
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CraigW said:
cue a post in 3 weeks "my hot tub went through my ceiling and now I'm being sued"
fingers crossed eh biggrin

skilly1

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218 months

Wednesday 9th June 2010
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Anyone used the Lazy Spa - Any good?

silverthorn2151

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Wednesday 9th June 2010
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bazh said:
The small inflatable lay-z spa's are 900 litres thus 0.9 tonnes, so using my unprofessional opinion i'd say its fine. What's the worse that could happen....
Oh there is plenty that could happen. You are aware of the duty of care you hold when offering advice? Unprofessional or not.

I would be very careful. Much depends on the construction and design of your roof. That spa is 9/10 of a ton and is about 5 bathfull's. It's not so big in terms of area it sits on that you could consider it anything other than a point load.

It's quite probably going to be ok, but make no assumptions and get it checked per the advice up there ^^^^^^^^^

Harry Flashman

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265 months

Thursday 10th June 2010
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I looked at this on a flat roof on my Victorian place. The chacks required were going to be expensive, and any structural work required (quite likely) very expensive.

It's going in the garden instead.

gilla

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Thursday 10th June 2010
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No garden unfortunately... I'll do it if the roof will hold it, it's not going to happen unless I get the ok from an engineer 1st then the landlord... so odds on it won't happen wink