Question Time - Plymouth last night
Discussion
Who was that moron student at the end whinging about the cost of his tuition?
They piss me off.
He knew the capital outlay prior to recieving his place on the course.
He knew what field of work his choice of degree would allow him to enter and operate in.
He knew before he turned up whether his future employment would permit him to easily repay the debt.
If he is so f
king thick that he can't work out some very basic calculations or too lazy to contemplate the consequences then he should not be bankrolled by the taxpayer as it is a bad ROI.
The uncomfortable truth is that if the taxpayer is going to invest hard earned money in paying the fees for students then it should obviously only invest in those who will deliver the suitable returns afterwards.
It's a free world, if someone wants to spend 3 years studing some non professional degree and without the clear objective of using that degree to accelerate the amount of future tax that they pay then they have to fund it themselves.
Does everyone in this country honestly think they are owed something when they have not yet given anything?
They piss me off.
He knew the capital outlay prior to recieving his place on the course.
He knew what field of work his choice of degree would allow him to enter and operate in.
He knew before he turned up whether his future employment would permit him to easily repay the debt.
If he is so f
king thick that he can't work out some very basic calculations or too lazy to contemplate the consequences then he should not be bankrolled by the taxpayer as it is a bad ROI.The uncomfortable truth is that if the taxpayer is going to invest hard earned money in paying the fees for students then it should obviously only invest in those who will deliver the suitable returns afterwards.
It's a free world, if someone wants to spend 3 years studing some non professional degree and without the clear objective of using that degree to accelerate the amount of future tax that they pay then they have to fund it themselves.
Does everyone in this country honestly think they are owed something when they have not yet given anything?
DonkeyApple said:
Who was that moron student at the end whinging about the cost of his tuition?
They piss me off.
He knew the capital outlay prior to recieving his place on the course.
He knew what field of work his choice of degree would allow him to enter and operate in.
He knew before he turned up whether his future employment would permit him to easily repay the debt.
If he is so fking thick that he can't work out some very basic calculations or too lazy to contemplate the consequences then he should not be bankrolled by the taxpayer as it is a bad ROI.
The uncomfortable truth is that if the taxpayer is going to invest hard earned money in paying the fees for students then it should obviously only invest in those who will deliver the suitable returns afterwards.
It's a free world, if someone wants to spend 3 years studing some non professional degree and without the clear objective of using that degree to accelerate the amount of future tax that they pay then they have to fund it themselves.
Does everyone in this country honestly think they are owed something when they have not yet given anything?
They piss me off.
He knew the capital outlay prior to recieving his place on the course.
He knew what field of work his choice of degree would allow him to enter and operate in.
He knew before he turned up whether his future employment would permit him to easily repay the debt.
If he is so f
king thick that he can't work out some very basic calculations or too lazy to contemplate the consequences then he should not be bankrolled by the taxpayer as it is a bad ROI.The uncomfortable truth is that if the taxpayer is going to invest hard earned money in paying the fees for students then it should obviously only invest in those who will deliver the suitable returns afterwards.
It's a free world, if someone wants to spend 3 years studing some non professional degree and without the clear objective of using that degree to accelerate the amount of future tax that they pay then they have to fund it themselves.
Does everyone in this country honestly think they are owed something when they have not yet given anything?
Legend83 said:
TBH the thing I am most pissed off about is the Government has been in office for what, 5 weeks?
Already everyone wants them to fail. No sense of reality, just an easy platform to get claps and cheers from a bunch of morons.
The BBC news is the worst offender , every day they seem to have some story or another and always only give a sound bite to a Labour MP Already everyone wants them to fail. No sense of reality, just an easy platform to get claps and cheers from a bunch of morons.
gerradiuk said:
As for Katie Hopkins banging on about the repayment of university fee's etc she, judging by her did not pay a penny!
Quite. I am glad the Tory id not agree with her.No-one asked what the student had his degree in. If it was chemical engineering then great, if it was Coronation Street, then I would be less interested.
Perhaps there should be a sot of tier system, we look at what we need (projections?) and make sure we don't burden our high end technological students with debt?...am watching it as I type, lady in red had good point, more apprenticeships less of the rubbish degrees....back to point, if we find we don't need 500 Coronation Street experts in five years, then those get charged the full amount.
Toby a
hole just made a good point as well, aboot payment relating to income (I would hope so long as the level of scholarship is achieved).The Govt does have an opportunity to shape the skills of graduates over the next decade to fit with what this country needs more or less of.
Fees do need to be means tested so as those without a penny but a good attitude and potential can receive the subsidy required to get them through to graduation and a job.
Where this country is lacking in certain skill sets then a blanket subsidy for those course could be used to steer more people towards it an ultimately into those jobs.
Where professions are going to materially gain from the graduates then those professions could be made to put more in to the univercities than they currently do. A lot of this is done currently via sponsorships and research but I think more can be done especially as their are entire professions which benefit from graduates without participating in supporting them through their degree.
Companies could be offered incentives to employ students on temporary basis' during holidays or part time during term. Obviously the classic student term jobs are shop assistant, burger flippers and server of holy elixiers, but perfect temporary jobs such as seasonal farm and factory work should be orientated to favour students rather than say, unskilled immigrants. The example I am thinking of in this instance is that 10 years ago in Norfolk the picking teams for veg and the sorting teams in the packaging factories were nearly all students but now EU labour is used.
More can be done to assist students without forking out millions that's for sure and more can be done to assist those who don't need to go to Uni but currently feel they need to in order to apply for the job that doesn't need a degree but every applicant has one.
Fees do need to be means tested so as those without a penny but a good attitude and potential can receive the subsidy required to get them through to graduation and a job.
Where this country is lacking in certain skill sets then a blanket subsidy for those course could be used to steer more people towards it an ultimately into those jobs.
Where professions are going to materially gain from the graduates then those professions could be made to put more in to the univercities than they currently do. A lot of this is done currently via sponsorships and research but I think more can be done especially as their are entire professions which benefit from graduates without participating in supporting them through their degree.
Companies could be offered incentives to employ students on temporary basis' during holidays or part time during term. Obviously the classic student term jobs are shop assistant, burger flippers and server of holy elixiers, but perfect temporary jobs such as seasonal farm and factory work should be orientated to favour students rather than say, unskilled immigrants. The example I am thinking of in this instance is that 10 years ago in Norfolk the picking teams for veg and the sorting teams in the packaging factories were nearly all students but now EU labour is used.
More can be done to assist students without forking out millions that's for sure and more can be done to assist those who don't need to go to Uni but currently feel they need to in order to apply for the job that doesn't need a degree but every applicant has one.
5unny said:
Why do the BBC keep on inviting Salma Yaqoob onto the show? She has been on several times in the last 12 months but her party has no MPs or MEPs and only four councillors in the whole country, three of which are in one ward. Her own ward is nowhere near Plymouth.
That woman actually had me shouting at the TV last night. Something that I have never, ever done before. Interesting that I loathe Respect not only for what they stand for, but for what they say as well.
And if what 5unny says is true about Respect's representation (i.e. non existant) then they have even less right to a seat on QT than Griffin did. And they screamed like pigs about that ...
Oli.
UKIP were the 4th largest party with nearly 1m votes.
BNP were the 5th largest party with almost 600,000 votes.
"respect", greens etc. all have a tiny number of votes but appear far more often (AIUI).
Now I abhor the BNP politics and UKIP don't do anything for me and so on, but it's not exactly "representative" now is it?
But the BBC don't have any "political bias"
yeah right.
BNP were the 5th largest party with almost 600,000 votes.
"respect", greens etc. all have a tiny number of votes but appear far more often (AIUI).
Now I abhor the BNP politics and UKIP don't do anything for me and so on, but it's not exactly "representative" now is it?
But the BBC don't have any "political bias"
yeah right.Lost soul said:
And , what is the programe that follows QT it was like a Labour broadcast , first they have Baldrick talking about his labour party then they have some gruniad journalist doing a segment with a football theme knocking the government FFS talk about bias
You obviously haven't watched This Week many times then.It is one of the best political debate programmes on TV and, believe me, Labour has suffered the lash of Andrew Neil's tongue on many occasuions.
You need to watch these programmes over many weeks before forming an opinion on any alleged "bias".
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