Good cars, driven badly.
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Followed an Audi S5 tonight, by all accounts a pretty decent car, but the driver didn't have a f
king clue, revving the tits off it on the straights only to slow to a crawl for every corner (and hit the brakes every time a car came in the other direction).
I've seen a few "proper" drivers cars being driven like this recently (most notably a rather lovely silvery-blue 993).
The usual suspects I see up here tend to be Boxsters and M3s.
So, is it just the owners partner/parent/child driving or do people really buy these cars without a clue of how to drive smoothly (let alone quickly)?
king clue, revving the tits off it on the straights only to slow to a crawl for every corner (and hit the brakes every time a car came in the other direction).I've seen a few "proper" drivers cars being driven like this recently (most notably a rather lovely silvery-blue 993).
The usual suspects I see up here tend to be Boxsters and M3s.
So, is it just the owners partner/parent/child driving or do people really buy these cars without a clue of how to drive smoothly (let alone quickly)?
Lefty 200 Drams said:
Followed an Audi S5 tonight, by all accounts a pretty decent car, but the driver didn't have a fking clue, revving the tits off it on the straights only to slow to a crawl for every corner (and hit the brakes every time a car came in the other direction).
I've seen a few "proper" drivers cars being driven like this recently (most notably a rather lovely silvery-blue 993).
The usual suspects I see up here tend to be Boxsters and M3s.
So, is it just the owners partner/parent/child driving or do people really buy these cars without a clue of how to drive smoothly (let alone quickly)?
Funny you've had no replies.king clue, revving the tits off it on the straights only to slow to a crawl for every corner (and hit the brakes every time a car came in the other direction).I've seen a few "proper" drivers cars being driven like this recently (most notably a rather lovely silvery-blue 993).
The usual suspects I see up here tend to be Boxsters and M3s.
So, is it just the owners partner/parent/child driving or do people really buy these cars without a clue of how to drive smoothly (let alone quickly)?
Anyways, remember your basic training to pass the test?
Did that really teach you to drive?
That's all the vast majority have had, so, unless they are "natural" drivers or have undertaken further training, such as IAM, do not be surprised.
Just because they, or their company can afford such vehicles, doesn't mean they have any clue how to use them.
Which is why a capable driver, especially with extra training, can, within sensible limits, show such as you describe, a clean pair of heels in the twisties.
To be immodest, I have often done so, in Mrs. WG's Micras.
Tbh, it saddens me, all that machinery, not properly utilised.
The crawl round the corners, the "confidence" braking as others oppose, sure signs of those who can't drive.
Thing is, the Authorities are not interested in ensuring properly educated drivers, able to maximise the opportunities for progress.
Fair point, the driving test has little to do with driving... I had been driving tractors, field cars and quad bikes for years before sitting my test. My uncle taught me to drive in a series land rover when I was about 9.
Is there a solution to improve real "driving" skills?
Circuit training for the driving test? it'll never happen...
Is there a solution to improve real "driving" skills?
Circuit training for the driving test? it'll never happen...
It is quite upsetting that some ashtonishing machiney is out there but the owners are pretty clueless. I drive a Pug 207 Hdi, nothing to rant and rave about, its bog standard and doesnt go very fast. But 7/10 times can out courner most 'sporty' cars just because the other driver doesnt have confidence or a clue as to what the are doing. Exhibit A, a civic type R this moring around a couple of twisty bits, should of left me standing, but not untill the straight did he open it up and leave me behind. Sad times 
Lefty 200 Drams said:
Fair point, the driving test has little to do with driving... I had been driving tractors, field cars and quad bikes for years before sitting my test. My uncle taught me to drive in a series land rover when I was about 9.
Is there a solution to improve real "driving" skills?
Circuit training for the driving test? it'll never happen...
It wouldn't need circuit training.Is there a solution to improve real "driving" skills?
Circuit training for the driving test? it'll never happen...
That's for competition, which is a completely different driving area.
Just a two stage car driving test, basic, qualifying for driving very low powered cars, "advanced", for anything else.
With busting back to basic, forever, if you are found at fault in an RTC or after, let's say, nine speeding points.
Of course, in my world of this system there would only be thirty and forty limits, where essential.
motorbreath said:
It is quite upsetting that some ashtonishing machiney is out there but the owners are pretty clueless. I drive a Pug 207 Hdi, nothing to rant and rave about, its bog standard and doesnt go very fast. But 7/10 times can out courner most 'sporty' cars just because the other driver doesnt have confidence or a clue as to what the are doing. Exhibit A, a civic type R this moring around a couple of twisty bits, should of left me standing, but not untill the straight did he open it up and leave me behind. Sad times
Maybe the 'sporty' driver was new to it. I drive my Skoda Felicia faster in the wet than my new 335i. The Skodas limits are easy to find and safely exploit. The 335 on the other hand has such massive capability that I don't know where to start. It provokes a fear/respect in me that will take some time to overcome as I learn its limits. No rush for me though, all in good time.I'll wave if a well driven 207 has me in the twisties though.
cheadle hulme said:
motorbreath said:
It is quite upsetting that some ashtonishing machiney is out there but the owners are pretty clueless. I drive a Pug 207 Hdi, nothing to rant and rave about, its bog standard and doesnt go very fast. But 7/10 times can out courner most 'sporty' cars just because the other driver doesnt have confidence or a clue as to what the are doing. Exhibit A, a civic type R this moring around a couple of twisty bits, should of left me standing, but not untill the straight did he open it up and leave me behind. Sad times
Maybe the 'sporty' driver was new to it. I drive my Skoda Felicia faster in the wet than my new 335i. The Skodas limits are easy to find and safely exploit. The 335 on the other hand has such massive capability that I don't know where to start. It provokes a fear/respect in me that will take some time to overcome as I learn its limits. No rush for me though, all in good time.I'll wave if a well driven 207 has me in the twisties though.
And defo if we ever have the pleasure of crossing paths though a decent set of bends when Im in the 207 I will indeed wave too
cheadle hulme said:
Maybe the 'sporty' driver was new to it. I drive my Skoda Felicia faster in the wet than my new 335i. The Skodas limits are easy to find and safely exploit. The 335 on the other hand has such massive capability that I don't know where to start. It provokes a fear/respect in me that will take some time to overcome as I learn its limits. No rush for me though, all in good time.
I'll wave if a well driven 207 has me in the twisties though.
Well, I don't want you exploiting the limits of anything as you approach me, your "safely" could so easily turn to not so.I'll wave if a well driven 207 has me in the twisties though.
Progress on public roads means never approaching the limits, either of yourself or your vehicle.
Most modern cars are very capable of being driven progressively, considering the road conditions, without being anywhere near their limits.
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