Bad 'ring crash
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M5 drops oil, 4 car crash. Dramatic picture but thankfully nobody injured. Don't know if I dare go back!
Original link: http://www.lovepetrol.com/content.php?202-Nurburgr...
Original link: http://www.lovepetrol.com/content.php?202-Nurburgr...
Less bad than it looks, although would certainly have been quite impressive when it was happening. Remember in an accident if you are still in the car when the emergency services arrive, and anybody asks you if you have a stiff neck or back they are likely to rip the roof off to get you out, just to be safe.
I was there with a bunch of people when it happened - the car was a UK M5 visiting with a UK car club (not BMWs) that was on a trip to the ring. The story doing the rounds at the time was that the driver was in a cell that night.
We were told by our guides that on the tourist days the ring is a public road and thus the police will attend any serious accident just as they will on the road. After this accident I was told (again third-hand) that they were taking swabs of the oil on the road which had caused the accident, in order to ascertain which car dropped the oil. That goes inline with the types of investigation that would happen in a normal road accident so it sounds reasonable.
I hadn't realised this was the case during public days at the ring. I suspect many don't and drive as if it's a regular trackday - which has a much more relaxed attitude to crashing.
We were told by our guides that on the tourist days the ring is a public road and thus the police will attend any serious accident just as they will on the road. After this accident I was told (again third-hand) that they were taking swabs of the oil on the road which had caused the accident, in order to ascertain which car dropped the oil. That goes inline with the types of investigation that would happen in a normal road accident so it sounds reasonable.
I hadn't realised this was the case during public days at the ring. I suspect many don't and drive as if it's a regular trackday - which has a much more relaxed attitude to crashing.
Renn Sport said:
why would the M5 driver be in a cell? If his engine blew then it was an incident/accident. He didn't puposefully blow his engine did he.
Shame about the wreckage... its gutting just to look at.
Police always arrest and impound the car when injuries occur. He'd be in a cell until he proved he had insurance, for a start. Shame about the wreckage... its gutting just to look at.
papercup said:
Renn Sport said:
why would the M5 driver be in a cell? If his engine blew then it was an incident/accident. He didn't puposefully blow his engine did he.
Shame about the wreckage... its gutting just to look at.
Police always arrest and impound the car when injuries occur. He'd be in a cell until he proved he had insurance, for a start. Shame about the wreckage... its gutting just to look at.
You should still maintain 3rd party cover although there is a case ongoing where someone is challenging the ring exclusion on a uk insurance policy following a crash.
As regards police attendance yes the police attend and deal with all crashes as they would for any other road. This includes being potentially prosecuted for driving on the wrong side of the road. So for example if you clip a bike whilst taking a left hander and hitting the apex you are likely to be prosecuted. This has actually happened before.
If the M5 driver is found to be at fault he's in for a monumental bill.
As regards police attendance yes the police attend and deal with all crashes as they would for any other road. This includes being potentially prosecuted for driving on the wrong side of the road. So for example if you clip a bike whilst taking a left hander and hitting the apex you are likely to be prosecuted. This has actually happened before.
If the M5 driver is found to be at fault he's in for a monumental bill.
fridaypassion said:
You should still maintain 3rd party cover although there is a case ongoing where someone is challenging the ring exclusion on a uk insurance policy following a crash.
As regards police attendance yes the police attend and deal with all crashes as they would for any other road. This includes being potentially prosecuted for driving on the wrong side of the road. So for example if you clip a bike whilst taking a left hander and hitting the apex you are likely to be prosecuted. This has actually happened before.
If the M5 driver is found to be at fault he's in for a monumental bill.
Bit of eye opener. Public 'ring days are rapidly losing appeal!As regards police attendance yes the police attend and deal with all crashes as they would for any other road. This includes being potentially prosecuted for driving on the wrong side of the road. So for example if you clip a bike whilst taking a left hander and hitting the apex you are likely to be prosecuted. This has actually happened before.
If the M5 driver is found to be at fault he's in for a monumental bill.
Anyone going to the ring on regular 'tourist' days should be aware of the following;
1) you are liable for damages eg barrier repairs or time lost due to track closure arising from red flag, accident or air ambulance caused by you.
2) just because you dont have to wear a helmet does not mean you shouldnt wear one especially if you are in a car with a roll cage DO wear a helmet.
3) carry with you a yellow vest to warn following drivers in case you stop at an incident and have time to run back eg if its over a blind crest.
4) carry with you the tel number(s) of the circuit office in case you need to inform them of a serious incident out on the circuit to send ambulance/close track.
No reason why it cant be a great trip I just think a lot of UK first time visitors are not aware of the above. Its not like turning up to a UK trackdays...
1) you are liable for damages eg barrier repairs or time lost due to track closure arising from red flag, accident or air ambulance caused by you.
2) just because you dont have to wear a helmet does not mean you shouldnt wear one especially if you are in a car with a roll cage DO wear a helmet.
3) carry with you a yellow vest to warn following drivers in case you stop at an incident and have time to run back eg if its over a blind crest.
4) carry with you the tel number(s) of the circuit office in case you need to inform them of a serious incident out on the circuit to send ambulance/close track.
No reason why it cant be a great trip I just think a lot of UK first time visitors are not aware of the above. Its not like turning up to a UK trackdays...
Simps said:
Is insurance a requirement to drive on the ring?
I know that it is a "public road", but if your policy forbids driving it, are you not allowed to?
If your policy forbids it. Then you'd know you were driving without insurance. Which would be silly. But is at least almost fair in that you have been made clearly aware in the policy.I know that it is a "public road", but if your policy forbids driving it, are you not allowed to?
When it gets complex is when it doesn't forbid it. Or anything that sounds like it to you. No "nordschlife (nurburgring)" or "de-restricted toll roads" or anything else you interpret as meaning the 'ring. Yet they disagree. And pull out some wording which you look at and scratch your head and go "but it's not a trackday which is what this describes..isn't it?".
And then you end up going to the Ombudsman....
The situation is not clear cut.
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