So were you consulted about the emergency budget?
Discussion
The "emergency" budget is almost upon us.
When it was anounced we were told that there would be consultation due to the size and importance of the planed changes and cuts.
So has anyone here been consulted or asked to give advice? Has anyone spoken for the taxpayers or defended a civil service budget?
If so what was asked and what did you say?
When it was anounced we were told that there would be consultation due to the size and importance of the planed changes and cuts.
So has anyone here been consulted or asked to give advice? Has anyone spoken for the taxpayers or defended a civil service budget?
If so what was asked and what did you say?
turbobloke said:
I've suggested cutting the £100bn up earmarked for useless windymills including the £10bn it'll cost just to connect new ones to the grid. In a Mystic Meg moment I reckon it'll be ignored though.
Seen the ones the crown estate plan to raise of the east coast of Scotland at the bequest of the EU??? Holy s
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PintOfKittens said:
odyssey2200 said:
TVR Moneypit said:
No.
I'm just going to do the usual of taking my trouser down, assuming the position, and think of England.
It's all one can do really.
I'm just going to do the usual of taking my trouser down, assuming the position, and think of England.
It's all one can do really.
Brace yourselves!
Most taxpayers are dumb as st and asking their opinion is a waste of time. It's similar to having a very serious gas leak and asking a window cleaner what action should be taken.
No matter what happens, everyone will whinge and fell hard done by (including the benefit scroungers) but we will all be able to feed ourselves and our family. On the grand scale of things it's a blip.
t and asking their opinion is a waste of time. It's similar to having a very serious gas leak and asking a window cleaner what action should be taken.No matter what happens, everyone will whinge and fell hard done by (including the benefit scroungers) but we will all be able to feed ourselves and our family. On the grand scale of things it's a blip.
cymtriks said:
Just Turbobloke, on his own initiative, then?
No one actualy asked?
No one come up with any more than stopping windmills?
No one actualy defended a budget?
I voted conservative to get my views across.No one actualy asked?
No one come up with any more than stopping windmills?
No one actualy defended a budget?
However a few things I would like to do is have all government funded organisations to come under government control.
Such as Network Rail, Housing Association, etc.
Cut some of their huge wastes.
elster said:
cymtriks said:
Just Turbobloke, on his own initiative, then?
No one actualy asked?
No one come up with any more than stopping windmills?
No one actualy defended a budget?
I voted conservative to get my views across.No one actualy asked?
No one come up with any more than stopping windmills?
No one actualy defended a budget?
However a few things I would like to do is have all government funded organisations to come under government control.
Such as Network Rail, Housing Association, etc.
Cut some of their huge wastes.
1. Housing Associations are not government funded
2. Railways being under state control between 1948 and 1994 caused many of the problems of underinvestment, due mainly to political interference. I also happen to think the present system is also crap, but taking the railways back into government control would be a disaster. Simply changing from decentralised incompetence to centralised incompetence. You say you're a Tory - so why are you spouting hard-left labour ideology?
rs1952 said:
Here we go again
1. Housing Associations are not government funded
2. Railways being under state control between 1948 and 1994 caused many of the problems of underinvestment, due mainly to political interference. I also happen to think the present system is also crap, but taking the railways back into government control would be a disaster. Simply changing from decentralised incompetence to centralised incompetence. You say you're a Tory - so why are you spouting hard-left labour ideology?
1. Oh. I was under the impression they got their money from the Homes and Communities Agency, which is a non-departmental public body. 1. Housing Associations are not government funded
2. Railways being under state control between 1948 and 1994 caused many of the problems of underinvestment, due mainly to political interference. I also happen to think the present system is also crap, but taking the railways back into government control would be a disaster. Simply changing from decentralised incompetence to centralised incompetence. You say you're a Tory - so why are you spouting hard-left labour ideology?
2.Network Rail is the same people as British Rail, I spent enough time working with them. It is now the former Unionistas who run them, without any guidance. If it was an actual private company then that wouldn't be an issue.
The reason I say this is because of the cuts needed. These are both funded by the taxpayers. If they were actually private then I wouldn't have an issue with it at all. I think you are deluded to think it is better to just sign the cheques without having any control over what happens with it.
I don't see why a tax payer funded organisation should be allowed to frolic with the public purse without any control. That was the Labour champagne socialism way.
It's either private or not, there shouldn't be a grey area.
elster said:
rs1952 said:
Here we go again
1. Housing Associations are not government funded
2. Railways being under state control between 1948 and 1994 caused many of the problems of underinvestment, due mainly to political interference. I also happen to think the present system is also crap, but taking the railways back into government control would be a disaster. Simply changing from decentralised incompetence to centralised incompetence. You say you're a Tory - so why are you spouting hard-left labour ideology?
1. Oh. I was under the impression they got their money from the Homes and Communities Agency, which is a non-departmental public body. 1. Housing Associations are not government funded
2. Railways being under state control between 1948 and 1994 caused many of the problems of underinvestment, due mainly to political interference. I also happen to think the present system is also crap, but taking the railways back into government control would be a disaster. Simply changing from decentralised incompetence to centralised incompetence. You say you're a Tory - so why are you spouting hard-left labour ideology?
2.Network Rail is the same people as British Rail, I spent enough time working with them. It is now the former Unionistas who run them, without any guidance. If it was an actual private company then that wouldn't be an issue.
The reason I say this is because of the cuts needed. These are both funded by the taxpayers. If they were actually private then I wouldn't have an issue with it at all. I think you are deluded to think it is better to just sign the cheques without having any control over what happens with it.
I don't see why a tax payer funded organisation should be allowed to frolic with the public purse without any control. That was the Labour champagne socialism way.
It's either private or not, there shouldn't be a grey area.
On housing associations, however, I am better placed to comment, as I left the railway in 1980 to join the Housing department of a local council that was then privatised in 1995. The houses of that council were bought by a private company for £58m, with a loan financed by the private market with private money (Barclays, just in case you are interested).
I was then made redundant by that Housing Association at the end of 2004 and, since then, have worked for a number of Housing Associations all over the country.
The Homes and Communities Agency do not provide funds for Housing Associations, They are "enablers" (and by the way, they were only created in late 2008 so will probably be in the coalitions sights for "the chop" - more details here: http://www.homesandcommunities.co.uk/statutoryback... ).
Please ensure that facts are in gear before posting takes place
rs1952 said:
I accept that my railway experience is limited these days. I worked for BR from 1969 to 1976 and again 1979-1980. However, in those days, political interference in an admiteddly inept railway management only made things worse. I longed for the day when political interference was removed from the railways, and that happened in 1994. Its a great shame that the way privatisation was carried out simply replaced one balls-up with another, but thats another story and returning the railways to nationalised status is not the right way forward.
On housing associations, however, I am better placed to comment, as I left the railway in 1980 to join the Housing department of a local council that was then privatised in 1995. The houses of that council were bought by a private company for £58m, with a loan financed by the private market with private money (Barclays, just in case you are interested).
I was then made redundant by that Housing Association at the end of 2004 and, since then, have worked for a number of Housing Associations all over the country.
The Homes and Communities Agency do not provide funds for Housing Associations, They are "enablers" (and by the way, they were only created in late 2008 so will probably be in the coalitions sights for "the chop" - more details here: http://www.homesandcommunities.co.uk/statutoryback... ).
Please ensure that facts are in gear before posting takes place
Can you explain how the money for housing works then?On housing associations, however, I am better placed to comment, as I left the railway in 1980 to join the Housing department of a local council that was then privatised in 1995. The houses of that council were bought by a private company for £58m, with a loan financed by the private market with private money (Barclays, just in case you are interested).
I was then made redundant by that Housing Association at the end of 2004 and, since then, have worked for a number of Housing Associations all over the country.
The Homes and Communities Agency do not provide funds for Housing Associations, They are "enablers" (and by the way, they were only created in late 2008 so will probably be in the coalitions sights for "the chop" - more details here: http://www.homesandcommunities.co.uk/statutoryback... ).
Please ensure that facts are in gear before posting takes place
Excuse the wikifact quote said:
Housing associations are generally considered as private entities in that they are not owned nor directly controlled by the state. This status however has been challenged by a number of legal rulings in the last few years. In 2004 the British government accepted an EU ruling that considered housing associations as public bodies for the purposes of procurement.
More recently, the UK high court in Weaver v. London and Quadrant Housing Trust [2008] has ruled that housing associations were public authorities and as a result could be subject to judicial review in certain circumstances. [2] The court stated that the Housing Association sector was
permeated by state control and influence with a view to meeting the Government's aims for affordable housing, and in which RSLs work side by side with, and can in a very real sense be said to take the place of, local authorities'
This issue has wider political significance given that housing associations borrowing (which stood at approximately £30bn in 2006 [3]) does not currently contribute to the UK's public sector borrowing requirement - the control of which is both a stated government objective and part of the EU's criteria for membership of the European Single Currency.
More recently, the UK high court in Weaver v. London and Quadrant Housing Trust [2008] has ruled that housing associations were public authorities and as a result could be subject to judicial review in certain circumstances. [2] The court stated that the Housing Association sector was
permeated by state control and influence with a view to meeting the Government's aims for affordable housing, and in which RSLs work side by side with, and can in a very real sense be said to take the place of, local authorities'
This issue has wider political significance given that housing associations borrowing (which stood at approximately £30bn in 2006 [3]) does not currently contribute to the UK's public sector borrowing requirement - the control of which is both a stated government objective and part of the EU's criteria for membership of the European Single Currency.
Edited by elster on Sunday 20th June 01:14
zollburgers said:
Most taxpayers are dumb as st and asking their opinion is a waste of time. It's similar to having a very serious oil leak and asking BP what action should be taken.
No matter what happens, everyone will whinge and fell hard done by (including the benefit scroungers) but we will all be able to feed ourselves and our family. On the grand scale of things it's a blip.
EFAt and asking their opinion is a waste of time. It's similar to having a very serious oil leak and asking BP what action should be taken.No matter what happens, everyone will whinge and fell hard done by (including the benefit scroungers) but we will all be able to feed ourselves and our family. On the grand scale of things it's a blip.
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