Beards: E39 M5 - Normal leather vs Heritage Leather
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heritage (arm chair luxury - for the older gentleman and pipe) - although I dont think they are any comfier myself.
normal leather - much more supportive - for the more sporty gentleman.
I prefer the normal after viewing a few off each before buying mine - the heritage was an expensive upgrade - but is usually accompanied by old style wood trim etc.
usually preferred options are black or black/grey insert leather and the brushed aluminium trim.
(exactly what mine has - oh and did I mention its for sale also (Silverstone Blue)
cheers David
normal leather - much more supportive - for the more sporty gentleman.
I prefer the normal after viewing a few off each before buying mine - the heritage was an expensive upgrade - but is usually accompanied by old style wood trim etc.
usually preferred options are black or black/grey insert leather and the brushed aluminium trim.
(exactly what mine has - oh and did I mention its for sale also (Silverstone Blue)
cheers David
drivin_me_nuts said:
I prefer the heritage leather though TBO it is not nearly as hard wearing as the normal leather - in fact caramel can be scratched with nothing more than a rough pair of jeans
Is Caramel a heritage only colour then?How often was the beige/cream interior option box ticked?
Aha.
Found what I need on the BMWRegistry:
"Cosmetics
How is the exterior of the E39 M5 distinguished from that of the regular 5 Series?
The E39 M5 is equipped with several unique exterior cosmetic items that distinguish it from other 5 Series models. The front fascia features an enlarged grille with wider chrome trim around the "kidneys" as well as a unique M-Technic airdam with mesh over the central intake. The rear of the E39 M5 can be distingished by a small body-color lip spoiler (deletable upon request) as well as a unique rear bumper and lower diffuser that incorporates two pairs of dual exhaust outlets. There are also M-designed rear-view mirrors (which fold up electrically), the unique 18-inch M Parallel Spoke II alloy wheels and three "M5" badges that adorn the exterior of the car, one on each of the side mouldings and a third on the trunk lid. Most E39 M5s were equipped with high-gloss Shadowline (black) window trim though the chrome trim from the standard E39 could be specified as a no-cost alternative in most markets. All E39 M5s have clear turn signal lenses.
What distinguishes the interior of the E39 M5 from that of a standard E39 5 Series?
Though the interior of the E39 M5 shares its basic design and architecture with that of the standard E39 5 Series, it is distinguished by several unique items.
All E39 M5s are equipped with power and heated M sport seats with adjustable lumbar support and a three-position memory on the driver's seat.Two distinct upholstery and trim styles were offered: "Sport" and "Exclusive" (later renamed "Luxury" for the North American market). The Sport interior was offered in the following combinations: Alcantara upholstery and door panels with Nappa leather bolsters and aluminum-look interior trim (not available for the U.S market), Nappa Point leather upholstery and door panels with Nappa leather bolsters and aluminum-look interior trim or Nappa Point leather upholstery and door trim with Nappa leather bolsters and Bruyere Club wood interior trim. The Exclusive interior included pleated Nappa Heritage leather upholstery and door trim with Bruyere Club wood interior trim or pleated Nappa Heritage leather upholstery and door trim with Burl Walnut wood interior trim. In addition, any of these interiors could be trimmed in either Extended Leather (leather on the door pulls, door armrests, center console, center armrest and sun visors) or Complete Leather (leather on the door pulls, door armrests, door panels, center console, center armrest, sun visors, dashboard, glovebox door, upper door trims and lower B-pillar plus Alcantara on the headliner, A-pillar, upper B-pillar, C-pillar and rear parcel shelf), depending on the market and production date.
Two different airbag-equipped three-spoke M steering wheel designs were offered in the E39 M5, both with M tri-color stitching on the rim and buttons for the audio system and cruise control on the upper spokes. The early version (thru 8/00) resembles the wheel offered in the some E36 3 Series, E38 7 Series and E39 5 Series models but is smaller in diameter (375mm versus 385mm). The later version (from 9/00) is identical to the wheel used in the E46 M3 and features a different spoke design and a thicker rim.
Also unique to the E39 M5 are special instruments featuring aluminum bezels, red needles, a 300 kph/180 mph speedometer incorporating the M logo, an oil temperature gauge under the tachometer in place of the usual economy meter and a an LED variable redline that extinguishes as the engine reaches normal operating temperature. Gray gauge faces were introduced for the 2001 model year (from 9/00 production).
Finally, the E39 M5 is equipped with an M footrest for the driver, an oval-shaped auto-dimming M rear-view mirror (not fitted to early production models), special door sill plates featuring the "M5" logo and an illuminated M shift knob also incorporating the "M" logo (made of either leather and aluminum-look trim, Bruyere Club wood or Burl Walnut wood).
What options were available for the E39 M5?
Unlike the previous two iterations of the M5, the E39 M5 was very well equipped in all markets and included most of the available E39 features as standard equipment including Xenon headlights, headlight washers, power and heated front seats with three-position memory for the driver, power tilt and telescoping steering column, automatic climate control, cruise control, extended on-board computer and a premium audio system. Options for the E39 M5 varied from market to market but generally included various types of leather upholstery and wood trim, power moonroof (standard in North America), on-board navigation (standard in North America), Park Distance Control, power rear sunshade (not available with Complete Leather trim), M Audio System (from 9/00), split-folding rear seats and rear side airbags (standard in North America from 9/02).
How do the European-specification and North American-specification E39 M5s differ cosmetically?
Aside from minor differences in lighting and instrumentation mandated by the different markets, all E39 M5s sold worldwide are essentially the same in terms of appearance.
Special Versions
NO SPECIAL VERSIONS OF THE E39 M5 WERE PRODUCED
Color and Upholstery Selections
The following chart lists all regularly available paint colors for the E39 M5.
COLOR NAME CODE MODEL AVAILABILITY PRODUCTION PERIOD
Alpine White III 300 DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 6/03
Imola Red 405 DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 6/03
Jet Black 668 DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 6/03
Carbon Black metallic 416 DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 6/03
Titanium Silver metallic 354 DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 6/03
Silverstone metallic 425 DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 8/01
Blue Water metallic 896 DE91, DE92, DE93 9/01 through 6/03
Anthracite metallic 397 DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 8/01
Sterling Grey mnetallic 472 DE91, DE92, DE93 9/01 through 6/03
Avus Blue metallic 276 DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 2/00
Le Mans Blue metallic 381 DE91, DE92, DE93 3/00 through 6/03
Oxford Green II metallic 430 DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 6/03
Royal Red metallic 390 DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 8/01
Chiaretto Red metallic 894 DE91, DE92, DE93 9/01 through 6/03
The following chart lists all regularly available upholstery colors for the E39 M5.
NOTE: Nappa Point leather interiors are paired with either Aluminum trim or Bruyere Club wood trim, while Nappa Heritage leather interiors are paired with either Bruyere Club wood trim or Burl Walnut wood trim.
UPHOLSTERY NAME CODE MODEL AVAILABILITY PRODUCTION PERIOD
Anthracite M -Texture Alcantara +
Black extended Nappa leather F2AT DE91, DE92, DE93 (Canada only) 10/98 through 6/03
Black extended Nappa Point leather 05SW DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 6/03
Black complete Nappa Point leather 06SW DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 6/03
(DE93 / USA: through 8/00 only)
Silverstone + Black extended
Nappa Point leather 05SS DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 6/03
Silverstone + Black complete
Nappa Point leather 06SS DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 6/03
(DE93 / USA: through 8/00 only)
Imola Red + Black extended
Nappa Point leather 05IM DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 6/03
Imola Red + Black complete
Nappa Point leather 06IM DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 8/00
Le Mans Blue + Black extended
Nappa Point leather 05LB DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 6/03
Le Mans Blue + Black complete
Nappa Point leather 06LB DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 8/00
Black extended Nappa
Heritage leather M3SW DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 6/03
(DE93 / USA: through 8/00 only)
Black complete Nappa
Heritage leather M1SW DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 6/03
Caramel extended Nappa
Heritage leather M3CR DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 6/03
(DE93 / USA: through 8/00 only)
Caramel complete Nappa
Heritage leather M1CR DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 6/03
English Green extended
Nappa Heritage leather M3EG DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 6/03
(DE93 / USA: through 8/00 only)
English Green complete
Nappa Heritage leather M1EG DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 8/00"
Found what I need on the BMWRegistry:
"Cosmetics
How is the exterior of the E39 M5 distinguished from that of the regular 5 Series?
The E39 M5 is equipped with several unique exterior cosmetic items that distinguish it from other 5 Series models. The front fascia features an enlarged grille with wider chrome trim around the "kidneys" as well as a unique M-Technic airdam with mesh over the central intake. The rear of the E39 M5 can be distingished by a small body-color lip spoiler (deletable upon request) as well as a unique rear bumper and lower diffuser that incorporates two pairs of dual exhaust outlets. There are also M-designed rear-view mirrors (which fold up electrically), the unique 18-inch M Parallel Spoke II alloy wheels and three "M5" badges that adorn the exterior of the car, one on each of the side mouldings and a third on the trunk lid. Most E39 M5s were equipped with high-gloss Shadowline (black) window trim though the chrome trim from the standard E39 could be specified as a no-cost alternative in most markets. All E39 M5s have clear turn signal lenses.
What distinguishes the interior of the E39 M5 from that of a standard E39 5 Series?
Though the interior of the E39 M5 shares its basic design and architecture with that of the standard E39 5 Series, it is distinguished by several unique items.
All E39 M5s are equipped with power and heated M sport seats with adjustable lumbar support and a three-position memory on the driver's seat.Two distinct upholstery and trim styles were offered: "Sport" and "Exclusive" (later renamed "Luxury" for the North American market). The Sport interior was offered in the following combinations: Alcantara upholstery and door panels with Nappa leather bolsters and aluminum-look interior trim (not available for the U.S market), Nappa Point leather upholstery and door panels with Nappa leather bolsters and aluminum-look interior trim or Nappa Point leather upholstery and door trim with Nappa leather bolsters and Bruyere Club wood interior trim. The Exclusive interior included pleated Nappa Heritage leather upholstery and door trim with Bruyere Club wood interior trim or pleated Nappa Heritage leather upholstery and door trim with Burl Walnut wood interior trim. In addition, any of these interiors could be trimmed in either Extended Leather (leather on the door pulls, door armrests, center console, center armrest and sun visors) or Complete Leather (leather on the door pulls, door armrests, door panels, center console, center armrest, sun visors, dashboard, glovebox door, upper door trims and lower B-pillar plus Alcantara on the headliner, A-pillar, upper B-pillar, C-pillar and rear parcel shelf), depending on the market and production date.
Two different airbag-equipped three-spoke M steering wheel designs were offered in the E39 M5, both with M tri-color stitching on the rim and buttons for the audio system and cruise control on the upper spokes. The early version (thru 8/00) resembles the wheel offered in the some E36 3 Series, E38 7 Series and E39 5 Series models but is smaller in diameter (375mm versus 385mm). The later version (from 9/00) is identical to the wheel used in the E46 M3 and features a different spoke design and a thicker rim.
Also unique to the E39 M5 are special instruments featuring aluminum bezels, red needles, a 300 kph/180 mph speedometer incorporating the M logo, an oil temperature gauge under the tachometer in place of the usual economy meter and a an LED variable redline that extinguishes as the engine reaches normal operating temperature. Gray gauge faces were introduced for the 2001 model year (from 9/00 production).
Finally, the E39 M5 is equipped with an M footrest for the driver, an oval-shaped auto-dimming M rear-view mirror (not fitted to early production models), special door sill plates featuring the "M5" logo and an illuminated M shift knob also incorporating the "M" logo (made of either leather and aluminum-look trim, Bruyere Club wood or Burl Walnut wood).
What options were available for the E39 M5?
Unlike the previous two iterations of the M5, the E39 M5 was very well equipped in all markets and included most of the available E39 features as standard equipment including Xenon headlights, headlight washers, power and heated front seats with three-position memory for the driver, power tilt and telescoping steering column, automatic climate control, cruise control, extended on-board computer and a premium audio system. Options for the E39 M5 varied from market to market but generally included various types of leather upholstery and wood trim, power moonroof (standard in North America), on-board navigation (standard in North America), Park Distance Control, power rear sunshade (not available with Complete Leather trim), M Audio System (from 9/00), split-folding rear seats and rear side airbags (standard in North America from 9/02).
How do the European-specification and North American-specification E39 M5s differ cosmetically?
Aside from minor differences in lighting and instrumentation mandated by the different markets, all E39 M5s sold worldwide are essentially the same in terms of appearance.
Special Versions
NO SPECIAL VERSIONS OF THE E39 M5 WERE PRODUCED
Color and Upholstery Selections
The following chart lists all regularly available paint colors for the E39 M5.
COLOR NAME CODE MODEL AVAILABILITY PRODUCTION PERIOD
Alpine White III 300 DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 6/03
Imola Red 405 DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 6/03
Jet Black 668 DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 6/03
Carbon Black metallic 416 DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 6/03
Titanium Silver metallic 354 DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 6/03
Silverstone metallic 425 DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 8/01
Blue Water metallic 896 DE91, DE92, DE93 9/01 through 6/03
Anthracite metallic 397 DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 8/01
Sterling Grey mnetallic 472 DE91, DE92, DE93 9/01 through 6/03
Avus Blue metallic 276 DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 2/00
Le Mans Blue metallic 381 DE91, DE92, DE93 3/00 through 6/03
Oxford Green II metallic 430 DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 6/03
Royal Red metallic 390 DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 8/01
Chiaretto Red metallic 894 DE91, DE92, DE93 9/01 through 6/03
The following chart lists all regularly available upholstery colors for the E39 M5.
NOTE: Nappa Point leather interiors are paired with either Aluminum trim or Bruyere Club wood trim, while Nappa Heritage leather interiors are paired with either Bruyere Club wood trim or Burl Walnut wood trim.
UPHOLSTERY NAME CODE MODEL AVAILABILITY PRODUCTION PERIOD
Anthracite M -Texture Alcantara +
Black extended Nappa leather F2AT DE91, DE92, DE93 (Canada only) 10/98 through 6/03
Black extended Nappa Point leather 05SW DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 6/03
Black complete Nappa Point leather 06SW DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 6/03
(DE93 / USA: through 8/00 only)
Silverstone + Black extended
Nappa Point leather 05SS DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 6/03
Silverstone + Black complete
Nappa Point leather 06SS DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 6/03
(DE93 / USA: through 8/00 only)
Imola Red + Black extended
Nappa Point leather 05IM DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 6/03
Imola Red + Black complete
Nappa Point leather 06IM DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 8/00
Le Mans Blue + Black extended
Nappa Point leather 05LB DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 6/03
Le Mans Blue + Black complete
Nappa Point leather 06LB DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 8/00
Black extended Nappa
Heritage leather M3SW DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 6/03
(DE93 / USA: through 8/00 only)
Black complete Nappa
Heritage leather M1SW DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 6/03
Caramel extended Nappa
Heritage leather M3CR DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 6/03
(DE93 / USA: through 8/00 only)
Caramel complete Nappa
Heritage leather M1CR DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 6/03
English Green extended
Nappa Heritage leather M3EG DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 6/03
(DE93 / USA: through 8/00 only)
English Green complete
Nappa Heritage leather M1EG DE91, DE92, DE93 10/98 through 8/00"
you really need to see both
I thought from the pics of heritage cars that the interior looked very nice - but in the flesh I dont think they enhance the car at all, and IMHO they make it look dated.
whereas the normal (sport interior) especially with carbon or brushed aluminium trim it still looks fresh.
David
I thought from the pics of heritage cars that the interior looked very nice - but in the flesh I dont think they enhance the car at all, and IMHO they make it look dated.
whereas the normal (sport interior) especially with carbon or brushed aluminium trim it still looks fresh.
David
woodside said:
you really need to see both
I thought from the pics of heritage cars that the interior looked very nice - but in the flesh I dont think they enhance the car at all, and IMHO they make it look dated.
whereas the normal (sport interior) especially with carbon or brushed aluminium trim it still looks fresh.
David
Gotta say that from what I have seen, I agree with you.I thought from the pics of heritage cars that the interior looked very nice - but in the flesh I dont think they enhance the car at all, and IMHO they make it look dated.
whereas the normal (sport interior) especially with carbon or brushed aluminium trim it still looks fresh.
David
ps Woodside, fancy pointing me to your advert?
Edited by neil_bolton on Monday 21st June 17:45
I have to say that it didn't worry me when looking. I was more concerned with overall condition. I did look at a car with black heritage leather which had worn well but came with wood. My car has the sport seats with silver/grey inserts and aluminium trim and it does look younger and more sporty but the inserts do show the dirt more. You might limit your choice if you look for a certain interior trim though (mind you, alcantara headlining is rather nice)
CarbonBlackM5 said:
I have to say that it didn't worry me when looking. I was more concerned with overall condition. I did look at a car with black heritage leather which had worn well but came with wood. My car has the sport seats with silver/grey inserts and aluminium trim and it does look younger and more sporty but the inserts do show the dirt more. You might limit your choice if you look for a certain interior trim though (mind you, alcantara headlining is rather nice)
Gotta admit, I've decided I'm having to.Is the Alcantara roof trim the same as that comes in my 328i Sport?
neil_bolton said:
CarbonBlackM5 said:
I have to say that it didn't worry me when looking. I was more concerned with overall condition. I did look at a car with black heritage leather which had worn well but came with wood. My car has the sport seats with silver/grey inserts and aluminium trim and it does look younger and more sporty but the inserts do show the dirt more. You might limit your choice if you look for a certain interior trim though (mind you, alcantara headlining is rather nice)
Gotta admit, I've decided I'm having to.Is the Alcantara roof trim the same as that comes in my 328i Sport?
(Meant to say earlier, isnt it Porsche 993 owners who are the beards on here
)Hello Neil - link to my ebay advert with more pics.
I am open to genuine offers - as you can imagine had a few enquiries from ebay with 2 decent confirmed offers and me making counter offers - so after discussions with them both it is a mexican stand off, I want more they want to pay less - the ususal.
but until a deposit is paid it is up for grabs - just trying to avoid showing it to all wannabees.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...
nowt to do (Its had virtually inspection 2 with more (eg belts) in the last couple of months)
only thing I would do is change rear tyres - they are OK about 4 mm left - depends how you want to drive it - I plan to do them for the winter if I have it that long. (been quoted £ 125.00 each for good mid range Kumho/Falken tyres) - Kumho same as all 4 on my 250bhp Saab aero - so I rate them)
anyway its there if you are interested.
cheers David
clay72@btinternet.com
I am open to genuine offers - as you can imagine had a few enquiries from ebay with 2 decent confirmed offers and me making counter offers - so after discussions with them both it is a mexican stand off, I want more they want to pay less - the ususal.
but until a deposit is paid it is up for grabs - just trying to avoid showing it to all wannabees.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...
nowt to do (Its had virtually inspection 2 with more (eg belts) in the last couple of months)
only thing I would do is change rear tyres - they are OK about 4 mm left - depends how you want to drive it - I plan to do them for the winter if I have it that long. (been quoted £ 125.00 each for good mid range Kumho/Falken tyres) - Kumho same as all 4 on my 250bhp Saab aero - so I rate them)
anyway its there if you are interested.
cheers David
clay72@btinternet.com
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