scrapping donor?
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ive just got myself a cheap sierra donor.
my question is after ive taken off all the parts i need, how will i get rid of the shell?
as it won't be able to be trailered, it will need a flatbed with a crane.
and i want to keep the V5 (when it comes through) so i can get an age related reg.
so what is the best way of getting rid of it?
im not bothered about any cash for it, i will just wan't it gone.
so what is the best way about this?
cheers
my question is after ive taken off all the parts i need, how will i get rid of the shell?
as it won't be able to be trailered, it will need a flatbed with a crane.
and i want to keep the V5 (when it comes through) so i can get an age related reg.
so what is the best way of getting rid of it?
im not bothered about any cash for it, i will just wan't it gone.
so what is the best way about this?
cheers
matt 2LT said:
ive just got myself a cheap sierra donor.
my question is after ive taken off all the parts i need, how will i get rid of the shell?
as it won't be able to be trailered, it will need a flatbed with a crane.
and i want to keep the V5 (when it comes through) so i can get an age related reg.
so what is the best way of getting rid of it?
im not bothered about any cash for it, i will just wan't it gone.
so what is the best way about this?
cheers
Leave it on your drive with a sign saying for sale £100. It will be gone within the week my question is after ive taken off all the parts i need, how will i get rid of the shell?
as it won't be able to be trailered, it will need a flatbed with a crane.
and i want to keep the V5 (when it comes through) so i can get an age related reg.
so what is the best way of getting rid of it?
im not bothered about any cash for it, i will just wan't it gone.
so what is the best way about this?
cheers
I can't comment on the regulations,as to whether you need to keep the shell in order to keep the id, but the scrapyard won't want the V5 if you are just weighing it in for scrap. The easiest way to get rid of it is get someone with a trailer and a winch (unless you've got a forklift handy), you should be able to winch it on with some pieces of wood etc to stop it scraping the trailer. Then drive it to the scrapyard, weigh in, weight out, and get a bit of cash for your trouble.
Last shell I weighed in I got something like £60 for (prices of scrap vary)
Last shell I weighed in I got something like £60 for (prices of scrap vary)
Sounds like by not using the original shall you have a "radically altered vehicle"
The DVLA policy document INF26 states:
Radically Altered Vehicles:
This covers vehicles which are substantially altered from their original specification, but which are not kit conversions.
In these cases the vehicle components used from the original vehicle will be given a numerical value and, in order to retain the original registration mark the vehicle must score eight or more points.
If less than eight points are scored or a second-hand or modified chassis or altered monocoque bodyshell is used an SVA certificate
will be required to register the vehicle and a 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated. So you won't get to keep the original number.
The following values will be allocated to the major components used:
• Chassis or bodyshell (body and chassis as one unit – monocoque) (original or new)* .......5
• Suspension (Front & back) ....................................2
• Axles (Both) ............................................................2
• Transmission ...........................................................2
• Steering assembly ...................................................2
• Engine ....................................................................1
There is one way to overcome your issue however. Send me a message with your email address and I will talk you through it.
The DVLA policy document INF26 states:
Radically Altered Vehicles:
This covers vehicles which are substantially altered from their original specification, but which are not kit conversions.
In these cases the vehicle components used from the original vehicle will be given a numerical value and, in order to retain the original registration mark the vehicle must score eight or more points.
If less than eight points are scored or a second-hand or modified chassis or altered monocoque bodyshell is used an SVA certificate
will be required to register the vehicle and a 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated. So you won't get to keep the original number.
The following values will be allocated to the major components used:
• Chassis or bodyshell (body and chassis as one unit – monocoque) (original or new)* .......5
• Suspension (Front & back) ....................................2
• Axles (Both) ............................................................2
• Transmission ...........................................................2
• Steering assembly ...................................................2
• Engine ....................................................................1
- Direct replacement from the manufacturers
There is one way to overcome your issue however. Send me a message with your email address and I will talk you through it.
The last two donors I got rid of both went to the local tatter. Scrap prices are pretty good at the momnet, so they should at least take it away for free even if it's a bare shell. Re the V5, I wasn't needing to retain that on the last two, so got them to sign it. On a previous one, I declared I had scrapped it myself and retained the V5 for the same deal - to get an age-related plate. I had engine, box, transmission, steering (cough), suspension (louder cough) and made enough points to justify one. It is unfortunately very dependant on the LVRO inspector. Best of luck with it.
I'm assuming yours is a kit conversion in which case you just need to use enough bits to qualify for age related.
Now the important bit.
DVLA will need to be convinced the vehicle has actually been scrapped and is not still out on the road somewhere.
Remove and retain the ali VIN plate and cut a chunk out of the chassis with the VIN number stamped in it. You can then slap those and the V5 on the VRO counter as prove. Also take pics of it going away on the scrap wagon.
Any scrap metal dealer will take it away and you may even prize £60 out of them. Better still a receipt for the scrap stating the vehicle reg.
Steve
Now the important bit.
DVLA will need to be convinced the vehicle has actually been scrapped and is not still out on the road somewhere.
Remove and retain the ali VIN plate and cut a chunk out of the chassis with the VIN number stamped in it. You can then slap those and the V5 on the VRO counter as prove. Also take pics of it going away on the scrap wagon.
Any scrap metal dealer will take it away and you may even prize £60 out of them. Better still a receipt for the scrap stating the vehicle reg.
Steve
Steve_D said:
I'm assuming yours is a kit conversion in which case you just need to use enough bits to qualify for age related.
I shall requote the wording of INF26:EFA said:
If less than eight points are scored or a second-hand or modified chassis or altered monocoque bodyshell is used an SVA certificate
will be required to register the vehicle and a 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated. [
You HAVE to use the original unmodified chassis to comply with the above DVLA policy or you get a Q plate. will be required to register the vehicle and a 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated. [
Edited by EFA on Thursday 24th June 23:44
EFA said:
Steve_D said:
I'm assuming yours is a kit conversion in which case you just need to use enough bits to qualify for age related.
I shall requote the wording of INF26:EFA said:
If less than eight points are scored or a second-hand or modified chassis or altered monocoque bodyshell is used an SVA certificate
will be required to register the vehicle and a 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated. [
You HAVE to use the original unmodified chassis to comply with the above DVLA policy or you get a Q plate. will be required to register the vehicle and a 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated. [
Edited by EFA on Thursday 24th June 23:44
It's all here:-
http://www.dvlni.gov.uk/vehicles/vehicle_forms/INF...
You need to look at "Kit Converted" not "Radically altered". Radically altered has more to do with Hot Rods than kit cars.
Sorry, you are wrong. You actually quote from that form (whihc is the Irish DVA version, but wording of this section is as per DVLA) :
A vehicle will retain its donor registration mark if either the original unmodified chassis or unaltered monocoque bodyshell and two other major components from the donorvehicle are used.
Then it says in the very next paragraph:
If a new monocoque bodyshell or chassis from a speialist kit manufacturer is used (or an altered chassis/bodyshell from an existing vehicle) together with two major components from a donor vehicle,(current services mark will be assigned). An SVA certificate will be required to register the vehicle.
So you need an SVA and you will get a Q plate, this being confirmed by the next paragraph.
Where there are insufficent parts from a donor vehicle (i.e either the original unmodified chassis or unaltered monocoque bodyshell) or in
cases where the original registration mark is unknown, an SVA certificate will be required to register the vehicle and a 'QNI'
prefix registration number will be allocated.
A vehicle will retain its donor registration mark if either the original unmodified chassis or unaltered monocoque bodyshell and two other major components from the donorvehicle are used.
Then it says in the very next paragraph:
If a new monocoque bodyshell or chassis from a speialist kit manufacturer is used (or an altered chassis/bodyshell from an existing vehicle) together with two major components from a donor vehicle,(current services mark will be assigned). An SVA certificate will be required to register the vehicle.
So you need an SVA and you will get a Q plate, this being confirmed by the next paragraph.
Where there are insufficent parts from a donor vehicle (i.e either the original unmodified chassis or unaltered monocoque bodyshell) or in
cases where the original registration mark is unknown, an SVA certificate will be required to register the vehicle and a 'QNI'
prefix registration number will be allocated.
EFA I don't know what you're talking about with this 8 point test rubbish, but what is plain is that neither do you.
There are so many inaccuracies in your replies that I'm not going to bother going through them one by one, but to just take one simple point, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SVA TEST. It was changed in April 2009, so over a year ago, and is now the IVA and it's a radically different beast.
Your reprinting of the INF26 regs may well be right, BUT INF26 IS an IRISH regulation and I, the OP and I'm pretty sure everyone else replying here, are based in the UK.
You can say sorry for being a pillock if you want.
In reply to the OP, since you've posted this on the kitcar forum I'll assume you're building a kitcar and hence will be dumping the bits you don't need when you've robbed everything useful off it? First off, make sure you really have got everything useful that you need off of it before dumping it. Even silly stuff like wheel nuts and things like the cable that opens the remote fuel cap. You never know what'll be useful and you can always get rid later when the car's 100% complete. Haha, show me a kit car that's 100% finished, but that's another story.
Anyway getting back to the original Q, most breakers will come and collect the shell and won't need the V5 from you. YOU WILL NEED THE V5 to get an age related registration, without it you'll get a Q plate. Whatever happens, keep hold of the V5, the breaker can have a copy but you need the original. A breaker charged us £50 five years ago to collect a dead car from our drive.
Alternatively, find you local gipsy site and ask one of them to collect it off you, you'll find them surprisingly friendly and helpful especially if you're giving them something. If you feel a bit intimidated driving on to one of their camps, then sort of park up nearby and follow one of them till he stops at the lights or for petrol or something and just approach him with "'ere mate don't know if we can do each other a favour, but I've got an old car I want rid of"?
But better not follow one of their women, the men do get very protective of them.
Anyway good luck with getting rid of the donor. What kit are you building?
There are so many inaccuracies in your replies that I'm not going to bother going through them one by one, but to just take one simple point, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SVA TEST. It was changed in April 2009, so over a year ago, and is now the IVA and it's a radically different beast.
Your reprinting of the INF26 regs may well be right, BUT INF26 IS an IRISH regulation and I, the OP and I'm pretty sure everyone else replying here, are based in the UK.
You can say sorry for being a pillock if you want.
In reply to the OP, since you've posted this on the kitcar forum I'll assume you're building a kitcar and hence will be dumping the bits you don't need when you've robbed everything useful off it? First off, make sure you really have got everything useful that you need off of it before dumping it. Even silly stuff like wheel nuts and things like the cable that opens the remote fuel cap. You never know what'll be useful and you can always get rid later when the car's 100% complete. Haha, show me a kit car that's 100% finished, but that's another story.
Anyway getting back to the original Q, most breakers will come and collect the shell and won't need the V5 from you. YOU WILL NEED THE V5 to get an age related registration, without it you'll get a Q plate. Whatever happens, keep hold of the V5, the breaker can have a copy but you need the original. A breaker charged us £50 five years ago to collect a dead car from our drive.
Alternatively, find you local gipsy site and ask one of them to collect it off you, you'll find them surprisingly friendly and helpful especially if you're giving them something. If you feel a bit intimidated driving on to one of their camps, then sort of park up nearby and follow one of them till he stops at the lights or for petrol or something and just approach him with "'ere mate don't know if we can do each other a favour, but I've got an old car I want rid of"?
But better not follow one of their women, the men do get very protective of them.
Anyway good luck with getting rid of the donor. What kit are you building?
EFA said:
Almost comlete rubbish
I didn't have to use the original Midget chassis to register the XI on an age related plate, yes the original registration was taken away (another story) but a fresh one of the same age was issued. The key part of the legislation is Kit Conversion as has been stated before.One thing to note is that the DVLA chap who handled my registration was no fool, so people who try to register an engine swap on a Sierra to use a Zetec instead of a Pinto and still keep the age related plate were in for a nasty surprise. (And he was quite pleased about that too!).
ColinM50 said:
EFA I don't know what you're talking about with this 8 point test rubbish, but what is plain is that neither do you.
Colin, my I first state that you do not know me and your trigger happy response to my post is unacceptable. I have actually been through the whole process of having my existing kit car (built and registered as new, by me, in 1993 on a 'k' plate) car put through a whole series of inspections and bureaucratic process by the DVLA, who in early 2009 were trying to force me down the line of an SVA and withdrawl of a personal and quite valuable marque related number plate.
This is because a magazine article and website detailed the fact that I had added a number of tubes to the chassis to prevent the car ripping the diff out of the chassis. They considered this a modification of the orignial chassis. The DVLA claim was taken independently from both the aspect of Radically Altered Vehicle and Kit Conversion aspects.
My countering of the DVLA investigation included oversight of the matter by a lawyer, an unnamed individual who advises the kit car press (he's unnamed as he helps all of US out) and the editor of one of the kitcar magazines, as the investigation of the car was prompted by a feature in that particular journal.
So I think I am qualified to make a statement here.
Lets tackle your attacks here and demonstrate that you have not read my posts properly:
ColinM50 said:
There are so many inaccuracies in your replies that I'm not going to bother going through them one by one, but to just take one simple point, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SVA TEST. It was changed in April 2009, so over a year ago, and is now the IVA and it's a radically different beast.
The docunent controllers at the DVLA have not carried out a review of INF26 in view of the POLICY changes, hence have not updated the document to relect the fact that there is an IVA test. My original post was a quote directly from INF26 as published by the DVLA.ColinM50 said:
Your reprinting of the INF26 regs may well be right, BUT INF26 IS an IRISH regulation and I, the OP and I'm pretty sure everyone else replying here, are based in the UK.
EFA said:
You actually quote from that form (whihc is the Irish DVA version, but wording of this section is as per DVLA) :
Moving on, I do not know how old you are, but you are teaching me to suck eggs a little here:ColinM50 said:
In reply to the OP, since you've posted this on the kitcar forum I'll assume you're building a kitcar and hence will be dumping the bits you don't need when you've robbed everything useful off it? First off, make sure you really have got everything useful that you need off of it before dumping it. Even silly stuff like wheel nuts and things like the cable that opens the remote fuel cap. You never know what'll be useful and you can always get rid later when the car's 100% complete. Haha, show me a kit car that's 100% finished, but that's another story.
I think the onus is upon you to:ColinM50 said:
say sorry for being a pillock.
Edited by EFA on Friday 25th June 14:44
MKnight702 said:
EFA said:
Almost comlete rubbish
I didn't have to use the original Midget chassis to register the XI on an age related plate, yes the original registration was taken away (another story) but a fresh one of the same age was issued. The key part of the legislation is Kit Conversion as has been stated before.One thing to note is that the DVLA chap who handled my registration was no fool, so people who try to register an engine swap on a Sierra to use a Zetec instead of a Pinto and still keep the age related plate were in for a nasty surprise. (And he was quite pleased about that too!).
Also an engine swap on a Sierra to use a Zetec instead of a Pinto and still keep the age related plate is perfectly acceptable and is not the grounds for any registration related matter.
The DVLA has many problems. They do not understand how to correctly interpret their own policy (if the story above is true) and they cannot implement or enforce POLICY which is not a STATUTORY INSTRUMENT. Those last two words are the most important words on this and any other INF26 related thread.
EFA.
YOU ARE WRONG. Simple as that. I have registered 135 kit cars and I'm quite familiar with the rules and classifications etc.
If the OP uses 2 or more of the following itens on his shiny new kit car chassis he will get an age related registration, and NOT the "Q" that you harp on about:-
Axles (Both)
Steering mechanism.
Suspension.
Engine.
Gearbox.
That's a fact. No if's and's or but's
You do say something about (I got bored reading) modifying your chassis. There is where a problem could lie ans you have radically altered an already registered vehicle.
Also, back in 1993 the 8 points system was in place for kit conversions, nowadays it is NOT.
Whatever happened to you is not the norm and your advice/information is incorrect for the OP's situation.
Missinformation can cause all sorts of problems, so please listen when a collection of others state a different experience.
Now get in the garage and finish that P4! I want to see pics
YOU ARE WRONG. Simple as that. I have registered 135 kit cars and I'm quite familiar with the rules and classifications etc.
If the OP uses 2 or more of the following itens on his shiny new kit car chassis he will get an age related registration, and NOT the "Q" that you harp on about:-
Axles (Both)
Steering mechanism.
Suspension.
Engine.
Gearbox.
That's a fact. No if's and's or but's
You do say something about (I got bored reading) modifying your chassis. There is where a problem could lie ans you have radically altered an already registered vehicle.
Also, back in 1993 the 8 points system was in place for kit conversions, nowadays it is NOT.
Whatever happened to you is not the norm and your advice/information is incorrect for the OP's situation.
Missinformation can cause all sorts of problems, so please listen when a collection of others state a different experience.
Now get in the garage and finish that P4! I want to see pics
Edited by Dave Dax builder on Friday 25th June 18:07
Dave Dax builder said:
EFA.
YOU ARE WRONG. Simple as that. I have registered 135 kit cars and I'm quite familiar with the rules and classifications etc.
If the OP uses 2 or more of the following itens on his shiny new kit car chassis he will get an age related registration, and NOT the "Q" that you harp on about:-
Axles (Both)
Steering mechanism.
Suspension.
Engine.
Gearbox.
That's a fact. No if's and's or but's
You do say something about (I got bored reading) modifying your chassis. This is where a problem could lie and you have radically altered an already registered vehicle.
Also, back in 1993 the 8 points system was in place for kit conversions, nowadays it is NOT.
100% agree, IVA may have caused a slight change but im sure not by much, YOU ARE WRONG. Simple as that. I have registered 135 kit cars and I'm quite familiar with the rules and classifications etc.
If the OP uses 2 or more of the following itens on his shiny new kit car chassis he will get an age related registration, and NOT the "Q" that you harp on about:-
Axles (Both)
Steering mechanism.
Suspension.
Engine.
Gearbox.
That's a fact. No if's and's or but's
You do say something about (I got bored reading) modifying your chassis. This is where a problem could lie and you have radically altered an already registered vehicle.
Also, back in 1993 the 8 points system was in place for kit conversions, nowadays it is NOT.
EFA said:
Steve_D said:
I'm assuming yours is a kit conversion in which case you just need to use enough bits to qualify for age related.
I shall requote the wording of INF26:EFA said:
If less than eight points are scored or a second-hand or modified chassis or altered monocoque bodyshell is used an SVA certificate
will be required to register the vehicle and a 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated. [
You HAVE to use the original unmodified chassis to comply with the above DVLA policy or you get a Q plate. will be required to register the vehicle and a 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated. [
Edited by EFA on Thursday 24th June 23:44
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