Moral conundrum..
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I have a friend who just got a job.
He was bigging it up to me but wouldn't say what he actually needed to do for the job. Just that he would be earning £100K in 8 months, etc etc.
Eventually, after a lot of questioning I found out he's doing door to door sales for roof insulation.
He gets up extra early, works hours he doesn't need to, doesn't go out nights because he has to be up early, all because he has been promised that within a month he will have his own "Team" to lead.
It is obviously a pyramid scheme type jobby, but he's totally obvious to the fact and even worse he wont stop boasting about the porsche he's going to buy and the amount of money he'll be making. He said he'd let me drive it if I'm nice....
This puts me in a bit of an awkward situation.
On one hand, I want to tell him that all this hard work he's doing is for nothing and that the promises of 100K in 8 months is total bulls
t.
On the other, I kind of want to see his smug ass get what's coming to him.
Also, I risk a "You're just jealous!" moment if I tell him..
Although that leaves me open for a great big "I told you so" when the time comes.
He was bigging it up to me but wouldn't say what he actually needed to do for the job. Just that he would be earning £100K in 8 months, etc etc.
Eventually, after a lot of questioning I found out he's doing door to door sales for roof insulation.
He gets up extra early, works hours he doesn't need to, doesn't go out nights because he has to be up early, all because he has been promised that within a month he will have his own "Team" to lead.
It is obviously a pyramid scheme type jobby, but he's totally obvious to the fact and even worse he wont stop boasting about the porsche he's going to buy and the amount of money he'll be making. He said he'd let me drive it if I'm nice....
This puts me in a bit of an awkward situation.
On one hand, I want to tell him that all this hard work he's doing is for nothing and that the promises of 100K in 8 months is total bulls
t. On the other, I kind of want to see his smug ass get what's coming to him.
Also, I risk a "You're just jealous!" moment if I tell him..
Although that leaves me open for a great big "I told you so" when the time comes.
Given that you are secretly wishing him ill, I suspect he'd be well rid of you.Steamer said:
If one of my mates was working that hard and making sacrifices I'd be supporting him.
Yeah, it's great when you're working to a realistic goal. But £100K a year selling roofing insulation door to door?
I guess you're right that it is best he's working.
Still stooped in dramatic irony.
It's all part of life's rich tapestry of making mistakes and learning from them.
Good luck to him, if what you say is true then it is all going to go wrong but he will have learnt a bit.
The man who never made a mistake never did anything... or something like that
Good luck to him, if what you say is true then it is all going to go wrong but he will have learnt a bit.
The man who never made a mistake never did anything... or something like that
Edited by limpsfield on Friday 25th June 15:52
Frankeh said:
Steamer said:
If one of my mates was working that hard and making sacrifices I'd be supporting him.
Yeah, it's great when you're working to a realistic goal. But £100K a year selling roofing insulation door to door?
I guess you're right that it is best he's working.
Still stooped in dramatic irony.
Several years ago, when I had a perfectly good job with the Electricity Board, I got suckered by an ad in the local paper for "Financial Advisors".
Basically, you sold this "money-saving package" to your friends, on the understanding that they gave you at least twenty othermugs contacts to arrange meetings with. And each subsequent meeting should yield another twenty mugs contacts. And so on and so forth.
Thing is, I have the selling power of Norris Cole and it didn't take long for my friends to suss what was going on and withhold their friend's details.
It's all a load of bowlocks.
Basically, you sold this "money-saving package" to your friends, on the understanding that they gave you at least twenty other
Thing is, I have the selling power of Norris Cole and it didn't take long for my friends to suss what was going on and withhold their friend's details.
It's all a load of bowlocks.
I think that the correct response is along the lines of:-
"Seriously mate, how many people have you ever heard of who make £100kpa selling roof insulation door to door? I honestly think you are being taken for a ride. That said if there is anything I can do to help let me know and if it does fall on its arse you wont mind me telling you I said so as I buy you a pint to commiserate with you."
"Seriously mate, how many people have you ever heard of who make £100kpa selling roof insulation door to door? I honestly think you are being taken for a ride. That said if there is anything I can do to help let me know and if it does fall on its arse you wont mind me telling you I said so as I buy you a pint to commiserate with you."
Op i worked for a similar company a few years ago (smaller companies of "owners" that operated under a parent company called cobra which chris niarchos runs he has a couple of ferrari's and has connections to CRS racing)
Luckily i knew what i was doing i needed a stop gap and am relatively good at selling and it seemed interesting but i shocked at the sheer amount of bullst these guys come out with to people who are so naive (sp?) saying stuff like your mate has been told "you can be an owner in a year and be loaded " and roll out examples of people that have "achieved" this essentially though what the owner does is takes a cut of your sales makes you recruit people and become a team leader and your supposed to train them to recruit to but never attaining this "ownership" status.
I left after about 6 months to start the job im in now sadly one of the guys that was there when i was still works there making perhaps about £150 a week (so he told me when i saw him last) but that the owner was considering making him a partner to his company.
Tell your mate to ignore the bullst make as much money as he can and find a better job or better still tell him to look up on the internet about companies like that heres a link to wiki on about cobra >
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_Group_(company)
Luckily i knew what i was doing i needed a stop gap and am relatively good at selling and it seemed interesting but i shocked at the sheer amount of bulls
t these guys come out with to people who are so naive (sp?) saying stuff like your mate has been told "you can be an owner in a year and be loaded " and roll out examples of people that have "achieved" this essentially though what the owner does is takes a cut of your sales makes you recruit people and become a team leader and your supposed to train them to recruit to but never attaining this "ownership" status.I left after about 6 months to start the job im in now sadly one of the guys that was there when i was still works there making perhaps about £150 a week (so he told me when i saw him last) but that the owner was considering making him a partner to his company.
Tell your mate to ignore the bulls
t make as much money as he can and find a better job or better still tell him to look up on the internet about companies like that heres a link to wiki on about cobra > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_Group_(company)
Cock Womble 7 said:
Several years ago, when I had a perfectly good job with the Electricity Board, I got suckered by an ad in the local paper for "Financial Advisors".
Basically, you sold this "money-saving package" to your friends, on the understanding that they gave you at least twenty othermugs contacts to arrange meetings with. And each subsequent meeting should yield another twenty mugs contacts. And so on and so forth.
Thing is, I have the selling power of Norris Cole and it didn't take long for my friends to suss what was going on and withhold their friend's details.
It's all a load of bowlocks.
Another one of my friends went to an interview for a similar job. They drove him about an hour away from where he lived to conduct the interview so escape was futile.. Basically, you sold this "money-saving package" to your friends, on the understanding that they gave you at least twenty other
Thing is, I have the selling power of Norris Cole and it didn't take long for my friends to suss what was going on and withhold their friend's details.
It's all a load of bowlocks.
Their "Showcase" of products was 2 handbags. It was, again, door to door sales with the promise of leading a team of mugs.
He sussed out out though. Then he went home and googled the name and had an even bigger laugh.
He said he saw a few people out knocking on door around his town the next week and all they could talk about is how much they'll be earning.
I can't believe companies get away with this...
Frankeh said:
He gets up extra early, works hours he doesn't need to, doesn't go out nights because he has to be up early, all because he has been promised that within a month he will have his own "Team" to lead.
You should congratulate him, not mock him and then maybe when he has a V8 Vantage in a few years he'll let you have a go.I've employed several young sales people over the years who've cut their teeth selling double-glazing, insulation and insurance door to door and I've also seen their six figure P60's at ages when their friends are still at uni or dole-surfing.
I look for self-motivation and hard-work above all when I employ. Even if this job turns out to be crap he'll go a long way by the sound of it.
As Zollar said, I worked for one of these companies when I was young and naive. Fortunately even though I was incredibly gullible at that age I figured out it was all bullst within 3 months, but for those 3 months I nearly killed myself trying to keep up with the amount of hours they wanted from me. Unfortunately they are very good at getting into your head there and they pre-empt friends and family telling you that it's a waste of time so you telling him he won't make £100k in a year will be met with a brick wall. The best thing you can do is offer friendly skepticism, don't ridicule it as that might alienate him and make him believe it even more. Oh and be there for a drink and to listen to a rant when he finally sees the light.
t within 3 months, but for those 3 months I nearly killed myself trying to keep up with the amount of hours they wanted from me. Unfortunately they are very good at getting into your head there and they pre-empt friends and family telling you that it's a waste of time so you telling him he won't make £100k in a year will be met with a brick wall. The best thing you can do is offer friendly skepticism, don't ridicule it as that might alienate him and make him believe it even more. Oh and be there for a drink and to listen to a rant when he finally sees the light.Gassing Station | The Lounge | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff