The Future of the England Football Team: 2012 and Beyond

[MiniMan64]

Righto, another Cup, another failure from our so called superstars that have promised so much in the league and failed so much on the global stage.

There are many discussions on the managers situation and on what went wrong in South Africa and I think the general concensus is that something has to change and who's got the balls to do it's going to have to be dramatic, what ever we are doing at the moment, it's not working.

So regardless of the FA, what the managerial situation is, what do you see as the future of the England team? We've got the Euro's in 2012 and two years to rebuild a new team.

My view is it's time for a clean out, particularly in defence where it's time for players like Terry and Rio to step aside, in midfield what would an England centre look like without Gerrard and Lamps?

There are surely some young players on the scene already, whatever Rooney's failings in South Africa he remains a good player (I think), players like Hart, Milner, Dawson and the forgotten Adam Johnson will surely form the basis of the next team but what of the rest?

Fancy naming a squad for 2012?

[curlie467]

The major problem is the players, i agree. Like you say, we need someone to make a major call, hopefully dropping these big names and start working on finding a young team that will play as a team. Seeing the future of the germany team was a little worrying, that team already is quite classy. A commentator stated Ozil as being a `luxury` player, someone who can provide that little bit more at any one time but having a solid working team around him, with us we seem to just have `luxury` names/reputations with no finished article.

I will think about a team.......................

[ZR1cliff]

Not until you get rid of the staid old buggers at the FA and replace them with knowlegable, passionate ex pro's will we see a move in the right direction.

Get rid of Capello and bring in an ENGLISH manager, we are not a third world country lacking in managerial talent.

Limit our domestic teams to three outfield foriegn players per first team.

Look at how the acadamies are bringing through young talent.

[curlie467]

Joe Hart.
Kyle Naughton, Michael Mancienne, Chris Smalling, Ryan Bertrand.
Danny Gosling, Lee Cattermole, Jack Wilshere, Adam Johnson
Danny Welbeck, Freddie Sears.
Kieran Gibbs
Fabien Delph
Jack Rodwell
Jonjo Shelvey
Nathan Delfouneso
Daniel Sturridge
James Tomkins
Victoe Moses

Good riddance to the other constantly failing shower of ste so called superstars.

Edited by curlie467 on Monday 28th June 20:59

[T66ORA]

There needs to be wholesale changes to the national team. However the back bone needs to be kept.We need to pick some untried players and throw them in at the deep end most, England supporters would show patience with a young team learning there International trade IMO.
My Squad of 24

Hart, Robinson, Camp

Gibbs, Richards, Lescott, Jagielka,Terry,Smalling, Dawson, A Cole, Baines.

Lennon,Milner, A Johnson, Rodwell, Gerard, Cattermole, Wiltshire, J Cole

Rooney,Defoe, Bent, Crouch.


Standby Players
Mancienne
Walcott
Delph
Sturridge

At least get these players together and try and make a TEAM, not a bunch of individuals?

[aeropilot]

anonymous said:

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Exactly.....being an English manager has NEVER won the Premiership, as you have to go back almost 20 years to the last season of the old First Div to find an English managerial winner - Howard Wilkinson with Leeds.

[curlie467]

anonymous said:

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I know really, the names i picked are very young but one or two would be able to cope now easily, i was just sick and tired of seeing the same superstar faces fail year after year, it can grind on you a bit! It would be nice seeing some of those youngsters but hopefully whoever is managing wont be afraid to lose the big names or just keep one or two who are performing at the time.

[ZR1cliff]

anonymous said:

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Since when has domestic honours had anything to do with credentials for managing a national side? Both Maradona and Dunga didn't win any domestic titles, yet have got their national sides playing some lovely attacking, winning football.

One of the main ingredients for managing a national side has to be passion, that can only be honest passion if the manager manages his country of birth. Capello can't even speak English and I have to strain to hear his TV interviews, how does he come across to the players in training?

[marsred]

ZR1cliff said:

Not until you get rid of the staid old buggers at the FA and replace them with knowlegable, passionate ex pro's will we see a move in the right direction.

I'd have to agree with this and say much of the responsibility has to be with the FA.

I can't help but think player selection for these tournaments is more than a little influenced by the FA, probably becuase of sponsorship or some similar financial reasons.

We see plenty of younger, new players play well for England in friendlies but they all seem to disappear from the national squad come big tournament time.

If the same old names know they are going to be picked every time regardless of how well they play they're not likely to put much effort in, unfortunately. Even my Mum knows Gerrard and Lampard can't play together, so surely Sven, McLaren and Capello must have spotted this too?

I also think our precious players aren't fit enough, hence the tiredness.

[Fittster]

ZR1cliff said:

Get rid of Capello and bring in an ENGLISH manager, we are not a third world country lacking in managerial talent.

Graham Taylor, Glen Hoddle, Kevin Keegan, Steve McClaren, etc.

[Fittster]

marsred said:

I also think our precious players aren't fit enough, hence the tiredness.

Don't accept that. They don't look any less fit than foreign born players in the prem.

[marsred]

Fittster said:

marsred said:

I also think our precious players aren't fit enough, hence the tiredness.

Don't accept that. They don't look any less fit than foreign born players in the prem.

They wouldn't though would they? The foreign born players in the Prem are going through the same training (or lack thereof) as the English players in the Prem.

I was more thinking of the training regimes of Premiership clubs compared to those of clubs in other countries. The South American and Asian teams in the WC seem to be exceptionally fit by comparison.

[ZR1cliff]

Fittster said:

ZR1cliff said:

Get rid of Capello and bring in an ENGLISH manager, we are not a third world country lacking in managerial talent.

Graham Taylor, Glen Hoddle, Kevin Keegan, Steve McClaren, etc.

Exactly why the FA in its current shape should be disbanded. Got to know an ex FA panelist in a two year spell I had at a non league club, who chose at least one of those managers. He was a nice enough bloke but he did not have the credentials, in my opinion, to have been on the panel. Any FA panel should be made up of ex players, maybe ex refs, and club directors - people who have had some involvement at the highest level.

[Dixie68]

I'm not sure about the current manager, but I remember only a few months ago everyone was calling him a tactical genius so I think we need to stick with him, for a year at least and see what happens. As for English managers, if we've got good ones then great, but McLaren was a total disaster so I don't think we should go on nationality alone.
The team itself is a different matter altogether. Saying we need to keep a 'backbone' of this team and add younger players is a no-go - this team HAS no backbone. Bin them ALL and start concentrating on current, in-form players.
Terry and Gerrard need to go, not because they're rubbish but because their attitude seems to be one of taking the glory for themselves not the team. I don't rate Crouch but at least he's a team player, as is Joe Cole - but that seems to be it.
Our best players seem to have all been ones who would put the team first; Beckham, (whatever you think of him), was a great captain as he was a great team player; Linekar (sp?) was the same; Platt and Bobby Moore were the same.
Bin them all and start again.

[MiniMan64]

Fabio has named the following nine players as "future" talents for the England squad that would help turn it around and build a new team. I've highlighted future for a reason.

Gibbs
Wilshere
A Johnson
Walcott
Dawson
Agbonlahor
Hargreaves
Zamora

[Wings]

ZR1cliff said:

Not until you get rid of the staid old buggers at the FA and replace them with knowlegable, passionate ex pro's will we see a move in the right direction.

Get rid of Capello and bring in an ENGLISH manager, we are not a third world country lacking in managerial talent.

Limit our domestic teams to three outfield foriegn players per first team.

Look at how the acadamies are bringing through young talent.

Absolutely agree, start all over again, with the initial results not being about winning, but competing.

Rooney, Ferdinand, Terry, Gerrard, etc. etc. hide amongst the foreign imported players in the Premier League,

[ITMonkey]

"Young" players like Foster, Jagielka & Lescott are 27, Dawson is 26.

If they stay fit, then I'd say Hart, Gibbs, Rodwell & Wilshire are shoe-ins for a future England team. Obviously we'll stick with Rooney (he has to deliver in a big tournament some time) and hopefully Walcott will develop a football brain.

Other options for the future:
Lee Camp (25)
Micah Richards (still only 22!)
Chris Smalling (if he makes the grade at ManYoo- 20)
Fabian Delph (lost his way a bit, but still has time- 20)
Danny Welbeck (19)
Nedum Onuoha (23)
Gabriel Agbonlahor (23)
Kyle Walker (20)
Kyle Bartley (19)
Dan Sturridge (20)
Ashley Young (24)
Mark Noble (23)

[ZR1cliff]

anonymous said:

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I listen to lot of things including other peoples' opinions but after 50 plus years and seeing us lurch from one disaster to another every two years, I can't help but feel frustrated. Like I've mentioned earlier I've also been involved for a few years at non league level, from CS to level nine.

1) For the good of the game the FA needs restructuring before it gets too bad, never have I known an England side return to a private location in fear of back lash, carry on the way we are and there will be backlash at sometime.

Don't be too cynical and generalise, not all footballers are planks. Even some at level 5 and below have professional jobs and use football as an interest.

2) We aren't lacking in English managers, off the top of my head I can list Redknap, Hodgson, Holloway, Allardyce. We also have some good younger managers coming through - Howe at Bournemouth, Lambert at Norwich. Pearce and Beckham would be in with a shout as well

As I've pointed out You don't have to win the PL or any other domestic honour to have the credentials to manage England, Capello's record hasn't done him much good at International level, plus in recent years it isn't just "good" managers winning the PL, it's more managers with bigger budgets winning it.

A good manager like Redknap or Hodgson will take on a failing team and turn them around, injecting enthusiasm in, where others have failed. Both Howe and Lambert did the same at a lower level in a very short time.

3) If nothing is done about bringing in too many Foriegn players then it will have an adverse affect on our international side. That and the mercenary way some clubs have been buying success is already playing a part. Years ago players would see it as a privilage to play for England. These days it's become more about a marketing opportunity so they can fill their accounts. They become less hungry for the real reason of being in the sport.

4) Acadamies? There are so many more distractions these days that keep kids from kicking a football, most would probably prefer to play their Xbox or sit in front of a PC. We need to look at maybe getting into schools early and making it more fun to be involved in football and sports. How is anyone's guess.

[Mattygooner]

Arsenal and tottenham have some good British yoof coming through, they just need to stay under Arsen's and Harry's mentorship for a while longer.

Although i am biased, i do thin Mr Wenger installs some disciplin in his youth players with regards to press, acting about and egos as does Fergie and Harry to an extent.

Pay them less, Arsenal have a wage cap, i think everyone needs to adopt it.

[JensenA]

Read this, I think it states pretty accurately what the problem is.....

Fabios Flops should be ashamed