Goal-line technology

[Z064life]

I will admit that both England and Mexico got outplayed by Germany and Argentia respectively and England especially, deserved to lose.


But the decision to not have goal-line technology is purely criminal. It makes me laugh that a major governing body cites the argument as cost (which seems to come before the good of the game). More like FIFA lining their own pockets like how MPs do... If there would be no such technology, at least introduce a low-tech, cheap solution, like two officials next to each goal (regardless of whether they will get hit by the ball, maybe then they will realise their stupidity...). How can FIFA act perfectly normal when already complete game outcomes and draws have beeen effected by this stupidity? (Eg Ireland against France). It must make people's blood boil that FIFA act perfectly normal when seeing the offence.


And the weakest argument is the time it takes to view the replays. The TV replays are viewed almost instantly and the decisions are simple (and will be correct). Of course, the argument that occurs after a wrong decision is not longer than the viewing of a replay. TV replays will never be shown because the "wrong" decision being replayed could result in a riot - lol. It's a matter of time when a team scores a winning goal in a knockout match in the dying minutes and for one of these "Reasons" a goal is is disallowed.

I can't blame the referee for not seeing the goal as he was so far away (which makes it even more likely he will get the decsion wrong, FIFA need to wake up and realise), but at least reverting the decision should be allowed (and there's no reason to understand why it isn't when no play has resumed since a so-called 'goal').

Someone needs to get these clowns, like England's manager, out.

Did anyone also realise that a Mexico strike against Argentina bounced off the crossbar in pretty much the same fashion as Lampard's strike/lob but there was no replay or talk by the pundits at half time for this?

Edited by Z064life on Monday 28th June 23:08

[southendpier]

Football is a world game with worldwide rules. Part of it's enduring success is that the game we play as children is the same as the professionals.

By additing additional rules for the elite you change that unquie feature.

I agree that goal line cameras would resolve a few issues - but at what overal cost to the the game?

[elster]

southendpier said:

Football is a world game with worldwide rules. Part of it's enduring success is that the game we play as children is the same as the professionals.

By additing additional rules for the elite you change that unquie feature.

I agree that goal line cameras would resolve a few issues - but at what overal cost to the the game?

Probably less than the Rugby, Cricket, Tennis, etc.

As most have the camera infrastructure already.

There is no excuse not to have it, I haven't heard anything with any reasoning.

The players want it, the teams want it, the managers want it, the agents want it. Just old Blatter doesn't.

[marsred]

southendpier said:

Football is a world game with worldwide rules. Part of it's enduring success is that the game we play as children is the same as the professionals.

By additing additional rules for the elite you change that unquie feature.

I agree that goal line cameras would resolve a few issues - but at what overal cost to the the game?

At NO overall cost to the game.

HTH

I don't see kids throwing down their tennis rackets or rugby balls in disgust at technology in tennis or rugby.

[Odie]

Its not as if goal line technology is complicated, supermarkets have them buzzers in front the exits so people dont rob stuff, all you need is that in the goal and a coil in the ball. And a small light. Simple..

[mrmaggit]

elster said:

southendpier said:

Football is a world game with worldwide rules. Part of it's enduring success is that the game we play as children is the same as the professionals.

By additing additional rules for the elite you change that unquie feature.

I agree that goal line cameras would resolve a few issues - but at what overal cost to the the game?

Probably less than the Rugby, Cricket, Tennis, etc.

As most have the camera infrastructure already.

There is no excuse not to have it, I haven't heard anything with any reasoning.

The players want it, the teams want it, the managers want it, the agents want it. Just old Blatter doesn't.

And the last four words have it.

No other world-wide sport doesn't use television technology to HELP the referees/umpires. The suggestion that Football should be decided on "Opinions" rather than fact is puerile. If I want to discuss opinions down the pub there's always politics or religion, neither of which require a finish point.

If Blatter really wants to have opinioned Football, lets play the game until one sides' fans concede the others have won. Sod 45 minutes each way and all that palaver.

What I think the fans want is for cheats not to prosper, which, it would appear, is what FIFA want.

The referee should be able to go to the replay, like Rugby Union, and ask (they have headsets anyway) the relevant question. If the video can't supply the answer, the initial decision prevails, like in American Football.

Maybe that is just too simple for FIFA to understand. It is to help the decision makers to do their jobs correctly that the technology is used in other sports, F1 stewards would be stuffed without the TV replay.

[southendpier]

mrmaggit said:

elster said:

southendpier said:

Football is a world game with worldwide rules. Part of it's enduring success is that the game we play as children is the same as the professionals.

By additing additional rules for the elite you change that unquie feature.

I agree that goal line cameras would resolve a few issues - but at what overal cost to the the game?

Probably less than the Rugby, Cricket, Tennis, etc.

As most have the camera infrastructure already.

There is no excuse not to have it, I haven't heard anything with any reasoning.

The players want it, the teams want it, the managers want it, the agents want it. Just old Blatter doesn't.

And the last four words have it.

No other world-wide sport doesn't use television technology to HELP the referees/umpires. The suggestion that Football should be decided on "Opinions" rather than fact is puerile. If I want to discuss opinions down the pub there's always politics or religion, neither of which require a finish point.

If Blatter really wants to have opinioned Football, lets play the game until one sides' fans concede the others have won. Sod 45 minutes each way and all that palaver.

What I think the fans want is for cheats not to prosper, which, it would appear, is what FIFA want.

The referee should be able to go to the replay, like Rugby Union, and ask (they have headsets anyway) the relevant question. If the video can't supply the answer, the initial decision prevails, like in American Football.

Maybe that is just too simple for FIFA to understand. It is to help the decision makers to do their jobs correctly that the technology is used in other sports, F1 stewards would be stuffed without the TV replay.

At what level of teh game would we want technology to come in in England? Then what about the rest of the world.

[Stevenj214]

southendpier said:

Football is a world game with worldwide rules. Part of it's enduring success is that the game we play as children is the same as the professionals.

I don't remember having linesmen and FIFA 4th officials at my games as a kid.

[ExChrispy Porker]

southendpier said:

mrmaggit said:

elster said:

southendpier said:

Football is a world game with worldwide rules. Part of it's enduring success is that the game we play as children is the same as the professionals.

By additing additional rules for the elite you change that unquie feature.

I agree that goal line cameras would resolve a few issues - but at what overal cost to the the game?

Probably less than the Rugby, Cricket, Tennis, etc.

As most have the camera infrastructure already.

There is no excuse not to have it, I haven't heard anything with any reasoning.

The players want it, the teams want it, the managers want it, the agents want it. Just old Blatter doesn't.

And the last four words have it.

No other world-wide sport doesn't use television technology to HELP the referees/umpires. The suggestion that Football should be decided on "Opinions" rather than fact is puerile. If I want to discuss opinions down the pub there's always politics or religion, neither of which require a finish point.

If Blatter really wants to have opinioned Football, lets play the game until one sides' fans concede the others have won. Sod 45 minutes each way and all that palaver.

What I think the fans want is for cheats not to prosper, which, it would appear, is what FIFA want.

The referee should be able to go to the replay, like Rugby Union, and ask (they have headsets anyway) the relevant question. If the video can't supply the answer, the initial decision prevails, like in American Football.

Maybe that is just too simple for FIFA to understand. It is to help the decision makers to do their jobs correctly that the technology is used in other sports, F1 stewards would be stuffed without the TV replay.

At what level of teh game would we want technology to come in in England? Then what about the rest of the world.

Premiership and internationals. As in Rugby Union.
What other countries do domestically is their business.
As an aside, shouldn't the German goalie have admitted it was a goal?

[Eric Mc]

Would you have?

[Northern Munkee]

southendpier said:

mrmaggit said:

elster said:

southendpier said:

Football is a world game with worldwide rules. Part of it's enduring success is that the game we play as children is the same as the professionals.

By additing additional rules for the elite you change that unquie feature.

I agree that goal line cameras would resolve a few issues - but at what overal cost to the the game?

Probably less than the Rugby, Cricket, Tennis, etc.

As most have the camera infrastructure already.

There is no excuse not to have it, I haven't heard anything with any reasoning.

The players want it, the teams want it, the managers want it, the agents want it. Just old Blatter doesn't.

And the last four words have it.

No other world-wide sport doesn't use television technology to HELP the referees/umpires. The suggestion that Football should be decided on "Opinions" rather than fact is puerile. If I want to discuss opinions down the pub there's always politics or religion, neither of which require a finish point.

If Blatter really wants to have opinioned Football, lets play the game until one sides' fans concede the others have won. Sod 45 minutes each way and all that palaver.

What I think the fans want is for cheats not to prosper, which, it would appear, is what FIFA want.

The referee should be able to go to the replay, like Rugby Union, and ask (they have headsets anyway) the relevant question. If the video can't supply the answer, the initial decision prevails, like in American Football.

Maybe that is just too simple for FIFA to understand. It is to help the decision makers to do their jobs correctly that the technology is used in other sports, F1 stewards would be stuffed without the TV replay.

At what level of the game would we want technology to come in in England? Then what about the rest of the world.

It strikes me that the outrage of it was over the line, beyond the obvious that it happened, is created by the presence of tv cameras, and what I mean by that is had the cameras not been present at the game, do you think there would be anything like the whoo-har, if we were reading about it, or listened to it on the radio, it's as much because there's tv present, to second guess, every ref decision, even the most ghastly mistakes that this problem arises. And if you watch the side-on replay of that goal, you can tell that the camera looking down and along the dead/goal line, is a static unmanned camera. Now why would a broadcaster go to that trouble and put a camera there?! I wonder?!!!!

And if the tv companies are placing cameras in such a position for such an eventuality then it should be made a condition of access to the broadcaster that an official is allowed in the directors box with VT replay operator, to examine whatever he wants (not unlike Rugby). Now obviously your Sunday park team isn't going to have a dozen or so cameras covering there game, therefore it should only be wherever and whenever a major broadcaster is present. Forget this same at all levels rubbish, it's a professional sport, it may look like same game as in the park, it isn't, doesn't need to be. Alternatively when they (tv) are not present, or it's somewhere 3rd world, why not adopt additional penalty box official standing off to one side of the goal behind the dead ball line to judge on over the line, and perhaps assist the ref with penalty shouts, handballs, dodgy diving, pushing and shoving - hockey works with a ref in both half.

[cotney]

Stevenj214 said:

southendpier said:

Football is a world game with worldwide rules. Part of it's enduring success is that the game we play as children is the same as the professionals.

I don't remember having linesmen and FIFA 4th officials at my games as a kid.

Or a stadium full of 60,000 fans cheering me on?

And I definitely didn't get paid £150,000 a week!

The argument that "the game can be played the same at grass roots level as at the top level" is a poor one in my opinion. The game is so different at the top level, and so much depends on the results, that there is actually no reason not to have the correct result given via a video replay.

[Engineer1]

Northern Munkee said:

It strikes me that the outrage of it was over the line, beyond the obvious that it happened, is created by the presence of tv cameras, and what I mean by that is had the cameras not been present at the game, do you think there would be anything like the whoo-har, if we were reading about it, or listened to it on the radio, it's as much because there's tv present, to second guess, every ref decision, even the most ghastly mistakes that this problem arises. And if you watch the side-on replay of that goal, you can tell that the camera looking down and along the dead/goal line, is a static unmanned camera. Now why would a broadcaster go to that trouble and put a camera there?! I wonder?!!!!

Listening to the match, the commentators where celebrating or atleast in the run up to celebrating the goal, before the ref ruled it wasn't a goal. FIFA could quite easily bring in a form of goal line technology at international level, then leave it upto national bodies to decide how far down their leagues they wish to implement it.
Lots of sports have technology used at the highest level that isn't used at lower levels. A 5th official sat with replay technology, or RFID on the goal mouth hell given the way the TV coverage is sold they could demand placement of cameras to cover the goal, the TV company would probably love footage of the winning goal or save that sees the championships winners crowned.

Edited to say if it was a England win it would on current form be good for use every 2 years for 44years

Edited by Engineer1 on Tuesday 29th June 19:16

[BliarOut]

FIFA are a complete laughing stock at the moment. They've made the wrong call and are trying not to admit it.

[Engineer1]

The right sort of goal line technology could even be a money spinner for FIFA, with the ability to sell the data to the TV companies, and provide pundits with extra facts. If you could get the speed and the point on the goal face the ball crossed the line, it would open up a whole world of facts and figures, relating to goal scoring etc. imagine penalties where a commentator could call up previous placement and performance.

[amare32]

I hear Howard Webb is against goal line technology - fking traitor. Someone needs to have a quiet word in his ear..

That bks about how FIFA wants all levels of football to be governed by the same rules, oh yeah I'm sure an under 12 game in sunny Brighton has the same significance as a World Cup semi final when a legit disallowed goal which would cost a team £millions in comparison.

[Political Pain]

If the FA had any balls [sic] they would simply introduce goal line tech into the UK game, just do it!

But the FA have no balls [sic] and they'll do sweet FA. Balls!

[shakotan]

http://arabnews.com/sports/article75407.ece

[Super Slo Mo]

As you (probably) know, the goal line technology has existed for years, and is routinely used in televised premiership and championship matches in the uk. It's pretty simple too, a smallish camera clamped to a strategically placed scaff bar at either end of the main (or opposite) stand, plus a couple of cables is the barest minimum needed.

In fact, back in the 90's, a company I used to work for developed a set of goal posts with 4 tiny cameras mounted in them, so there could be almost no doubt at all that a ball had crossed the line. Trouble is, FA rules mean nothing is allowed to be attached to a goal post, not even inside looking through a small hole.

However, it's the FA's and Fifa's attitude towards video replay that's the issue here. They are stuck in the dark ages really, especially when you see the video ref sorting out difficult decisions in other sports.

[Corsair7]

If this was any other country that got denied a goal witht his kind of decison we'd most likely have been saying 'ah well, you win some, you lose some'.

Just because it was a completly ste useless rabble of wasters (England, that is) that got affected, now everyones for it?

I can only see the technology ruining the game myself. These kind of mistakes are pretty rare, we should live with them for the sake of the fast paced, exciting (at times) game that we have currently. If you bring in cameras for the goal line, next thing is replays for offsides, then every marginal decsion is questioned and challenged. The game flow will be broken up and games will be ruined by constant interuptions and appeals.

The game is currently 'judged and adjudicated' by the officials on the pitch that see only their angle, in real time, at full speed, with no instant replay. They make their decisions on the spot, and have to live with them (rightly or wrongly). Bring in cameras for everything and you'll get officials that are scared to make any decisions by themselves and rely only on the cameras.

The game in its current format works just fine. It was sad to see such an obvious goal not given on Sunday, but it didnt vastly affect the outcome of the game in my opinion, any one that thinks it did is grasping at straws and needs a reality check.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned - the German goalie knew it was a goal, and did the typical unsportsmanly thing of cheating. Perhaps if we could get a degree of sportmanship back into the game, we'd need camera replays less? Naieve to wish for perhaps, but unsportman like behaviour is still against the rules and should therefore be punished?