house buying - tax efficiency

house buying - tax efficiency

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911newbie

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598 posts

261 months

Wednesday 30th June 2010
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My partner's parents are getting on a bit and currently live in a large, draughty, three story barn conversion. So we're contemplating remortgaging our house (on which we currently have almost no mortgage) in order to buy a house outright for her parents.

Her parents can then sell their current house at their lesure and get the best price for it. (They're keen to avoid the stress of a chain.) Once they've sold their house they will buy the new house from us for whatever they get for their old house.

So my question is - what is the most efficient way to buy a house for the padres in law ?
We accept we may have to make up the difference between the value of thier current house and the cost of the new house, but we're keen to avoid unneccesary taxes/expenses.

Thanks in advance.
Chris


Eric Mc

122,106 posts

266 months

Wednesday 30th June 2010
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You'll be stung for CGT on the sale of the house to the parents IF you make a gain on the sale greater than £20,200 (I'm assuming the new house would be bought ion both you and your partner's name).

Nollub

108 posts

231 months

Wednesday 30th June 2010
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After remortgaging your property to release funds, buy the house in the parents' name (effectively lending them the funds for the purchase) and get your loan back when the parents sell their original property and repay your mortgage. Assuming they sell the original property within 3 years there should be no CGT exposure at all. You can lend the funds interest free if you choose to do so and can afford to, so no messy tax issues on interest received. If they sell the old house for less than the new one costs thereby not being able to repay the whole amount leave that as a loan thus reducing their estate for IHT purposes when the time comes.

Eric Mc

122,106 posts

266 months

Wednesday 30th June 2010
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In that scenario, are you not also gifting the house to the parents. Surely there are CGT ramifications here?

And if you own a house in YOUR name and then allow someone else live in it rent free - surely there are IHT ramifications there (not to mention PAYE and BIK ramifications)?

Nollub

108 posts

231 months

Wednesday 30th June 2010
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Eric, are you looking at the OP's scenario (buying in OP's name then selling to parents)? Even if you are I can't see any BIK or PAYE implications. You are at liberty to buy a house for family to live in, goodness knows how many families do this already. Buying through a company might involve BIK issues etc but that wasn't suggested as far as I can see.

If you are not, by lending the money to your parents you are not gifting the house to them, you are lending them the funds to enable them to buy the house. Just set up a loan agreement when the new house is purchased, interest free or interest bearing depending on the OP's circumstances and needs, leave it flexible so that if sufficient funds are not available when the original house is sold the balance can remain as a loan with the potential IHT benefits.


Eric Mc

122,106 posts

266 months

Wednesday 30th June 2010
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I see what you mean.

The new house is in the parents' name. They have borrowed some of the purchase price from the children so there is a matching debt to go with the asset they have acquired.

The only snags I would see would be

a) if the parents never repaid the loan to the children
b) finding a lender who will make a loan to the original borrowers on the basis that the propert was going to be immediately transferred to another party.

I suppose the issue is, on which property the loan is secured, the new house or the children's original house.

911newbie

Original Poster:

598 posts

261 months

Wednesday 30th June 2010
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Gentlemen, I can't thank you enough.
We had not thought about making this a loan, which is effectively what it is. This seems to be a much better idea. I'll get an accountant (or a solicitor ?) to set up the loan agreement.

Eric MC -
You are right about them never paying the loan back. Still we know where they live.. !!

We plan to remortgage our current house, which has only a few £k mortgage on it, to raise the money.
I would guess our mortgage company might ask us why we want to remortgage our house, and I hope the honest answer is sufficient for them.
I anticipate a delay of a year or so between buying the new house and selling the current one, so it won't be an instantaneous repayment.

Eric Mc

122,106 posts

266 months

Thursday 1st July 2010
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If they do not or have no intention of repaying the loan to you - and you are both aware of this - then it cannot be a loan and would constitute a gift. However, providing neither of you die within 7 years of making the "gift", there should be no tax implications.

Nollub

108 posts

231 months

Thursday 1st July 2010
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Just because they do not repay the loan does not make it a gift. Equity release schemes for example provide for repayment only on death.

The element of the loan remaining after using up the proceeds from the sale of the original property can be stated to be repayable after the death of the second parent, to be financed from their estate. This maintains the indebtedness and IHT efficiency. Why pay 40% IHT on what is in reality a loan to parents and which would reduce their estate in the long term!

worsy

5,829 posts

176 months

Thursday 1st July 2010
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Caution....Stamp Duty!


Edited to say, reading the whole thread mitigates that. Buying the house and selling it to them later will incur two lots of stamp duty.

Edited by worsy on Thursday 1st July 16:44

911newbie

Original Poster:

598 posts

261 months

Thursday 1st July 2010
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"Buying the house and selling it to them later will incur two lots of stamp duty."
- Yes plus two sets of 'valuation' fees and solicitors fees etc, all of which we're keen to avoid.
The idea of a zero interest loan seems to be very sensible.

Eric Mc

122,106 posts

266 months

Friday 2nd July 2010
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Nollub said:
Just because they do not repay the loan does not make it a gift. Equity release schemes for example provide for repayment only on death.

The element of the loan remaining after using up the proceeds from the sale of the original property can be stated to be repayable after the death of the second parent, to be financed from their estate. This maintains the indebtedness and IHT efficiency. Why pay 40% IHT on what is in reality a loan to parents and which would reduce their estate in the long term!
That's still a "repayment" though, isn't it. It's just that the repayment hasn't been made in the loan recipient's lifetime.