Come on Nadal, get in there!!!
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Normally of course I really couldn't give a damn about tennis. As an englishman I've learnt to not really car too much about wimbledon for the obvious reason that we rarely get anyone pass the first or second rounds.
This year is different though!!!
For the semi final clash between Nadal and Murray, I will be throwing my support firmly behind Nadal.
You see, I don't see Murray as British, I see him as Scottish. So I really can't get excited at the thought of him winning... I really wouldn't feel any sense of national pride in that. I would actually like to see Nadal win so that it would quench the whole media circus around a "British" player winning for the first time in 70 years etc... and keep the scots quiet.
Those of you who say that we should support him as he's "British", think again. The scots will support 'ABE' - Anyone But England, and it's not a jocular, friendly tweek your nose type of support for the opposition, it's a real, almost tangible desire to see England bomb and be humiliated by anyone that we play against.
I lived up there for 16 years, I've seen it and experienced it first hand, I just accepted it as the norm. But it was always a genuine shock for new folk when they moved up and experienced for themselves this most obviously demonstrated example of anti-englishness that's bred into the scots.
So this year, rather than just experiencing Wimbledon with barely a 'meh...', I will be buying myself a Spanish flag and settling down in front of the telly to cheer on Nadal.
Come on Nadal, get in there!!!
This year is different though!!!
For the semi final clash between Nadal and Murray, I will be throwing my support firmly behind Nadal.
You see, I don't see Murray as British, I see him as Scottish. So I really can't get excited at the thought of him winning... I really wouldn't feel any sense of national pride in that. I would actually like to see Nadal win so that it would quench the whole media circus around a "British" player winning for the first time in 70 years etc... and keep the scots quiet.
Those of you who say that we should support him as he's "British", think again. The scots will support 'ABE' - Anyone But England, and it's not a jocular, friendly tweek your nose type of support for the opposition, it's a real, almost tangible desire to see England bomb and be humiliated by anyone that we play against.
I lived up there for 16 years, I've seen it and experienced it first hand, I just accepted it as the norm. But it was always a genuine shock for new folk when they moved up and experienced for themselves this most obviously demonstrated example of anti-englishness that's bred into the scots.
So this year, rather than just experiencing Wimbledon with barely a 'meh...', I will be buying myself a Spanish flag and settling down in front of the telly to cheer on Nadal.
Come on Nadal, get in there!!!
This man speaketh the truth. A Scottish bloke in Inverness, who my cousin works with (being the only English person in the office), bought every England opposition football strip for the World Cup and wore them on the day of the games to try and get at my cousin.
I do find that a lot of the Scottish have a huge chip on their shoulder. More of a full Potato actually.
Murray himself even supports ABE, as he mentioned in an interview a while back.
I do find that a lot of the Scottish have a huge chip on their shoulder. More of a full Potato actually.
Murray himself even supports ABE, as he mentioned in an interview a while back.
Given that he's playing as an individual, not playing for his country, it really doesn't matter who you support.
It's pretty easy not to get sucked into the media hype just by applying some rational thought. Why does anyone ever believe any of the media posturing about sportspeople/teams? Surely the farce of the Soccer World Cup should have dispelled any lingering thoughts that the journalists know what they are talking about.
Like you, I think the "anyone but England" thing is pretty sad, so wouldn't lower myself to those standards of behaviour with "anyone but Scotland".
Rise above it, prove that you as an Englishman are less petty, less pitiable than those poor Scots
Or just watch what should be a great tennis match regardless of your opinions on their respective places of birth.
It's pretty easy not to get sucked into the media hype just by applying some rational thought. Why does anyone ever believe any of the media posturing about sportspeople/teams? Surely the farce of the Soccer World Cup should have dispelled any lingering thoughts that the journalists know what they are talking about.
Like you, I think the "anyone but England" thing is pretty sad, so wouldn't lower myself to those standards of behaviour with "anyone but Scotland".
Rise above it, prove that you as an Englishman are less petty, less pitiable than those poor Scots Or just watch what should be a great tennis match regardless of your opinions on their respective places of birth.
el stovey said:
I think he has a British passport. That makes him British doesn't it?
Not really relevant, I know many Scots who consider themselves Scottish not British. The passport is a piece of paper.I won't be supporting either player, but Murray gets on my tits simply for being such a miserable
.The excuse that he's young and new to tennis is wearing thin now, I hope he takes a leaf from Nadals book and gets media training/just lightens up in general, Rafa is a lot more amenable than he used to be.
I too am in the Anyone But Murray camp - the dour sour faced porridge gobbling tt.
You see at the last World Cup he was far to quick to say that he was supporting "Anyone But England" which was a bit of a stupid move since noone in Scotland watches Tennis.
So he's made a rod for his own back and I will laugh heartily when he gets dumped out of the tournament ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
If he wasn't such a miserable wker with, as with all Jocks, a chip on his shoulder then he could have counted on far more English support. I'd sooner cheer on a Frenchman.
t.You see at the last World Cup he was far to quick to say that he was supporting "Anyone But England" which was a bit of a stupid move since noone in Scotland watches Tennis.
So he's made a rod for his own back and I will laugh heartily when he gets dumped out of the tournament ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
If he wasn't such a miserable w
ker with, as with all Jocks, a chip on his shoulder then he could have counted on far more English support. I'd sooner cheer on a Frenchman.el stovey said:
Piersman2 said:
You see, I don't see Murray as British, I see him as Scottish.
I think he has a British passport. That makes him British doesn't it?WorAl said:
Murray himself even supports ABE, as he mentioned in an interview a while back.
You mean after the interviewer took the piss out of him for Scotland not qualifying for some soccer competition or other? It was a light-hearted bit of banter between interviewer and interviewee and it makes me laugh how uptight many people get about it. Almost as if they were looking for an excuse...You'd have thought all these people getting upset about "ABE" would themselves rise above such petty behaviour, seeing as they dislike it so much. Strange that many don't seem to take that attitude
okgo said:
What's the berk doing living in Oxshott if its 'abe' for him!
He made a joke about it years ago and chippy xenophobes like the OP can't move on. The facts are that most Scottish people don't support ABE, some do. Just like some Welsh not supporting England or Northerners banging on about southerners or English people banging on about the French or Germans.
I didn't see many Scottish people on here cheering when England lost to USA/Germany in the world cup.
Reload said:
el stovey said:
Piersman2 said:
You see, I don't see Murray as British, I see him as Scottish.
I think he has a British passport. That makes him British doesn't it?Because even the most vehement anti-english scotsman knows they are better off as a nation as part of the united kingdom being spoon fed money from England. They may have a chip on their shoulders, but they're not stupid!
Now, if we were to reduce the per-capita allowances in Scotland , to the same as those in England, I think you'd see Scotland becoming far more interested in independence!
DrTre said:
el stovey said:
I think he has a British passport. That makes him British doesn't it?
Not really relevant, I know many Scots who consider themselves Scottish not British. The passport is a piece of paper.el stovey said:
okgo said:
What's the berk doing living in Oxshott if its 'abe' for him!
He made a joke about it years ago and chippy xenophobes like the OP can't move on. The facts are that most Scottish people don't support ABE, some do. Just like some Welsh not supporting England or Northerners banging on about southerners or English people banging on about the French or Germans.
I didn't see many Scottish people on here cheering when England lost to USA/Germany in the world cup.
I lived up there from the age of 16 to 32 and moved back down in 2000 'ish. For the first 10 years of that Scotland seemed to be heading in the right direction, the anti-englishness was becoming an in joke and the banter was excellent. Then they devolved and the scottish media started whipping up the old anti-english sentiments.
I really don't think most people in England realise just how deep rooted and conditioned it is in the Scottish system to be anti-english.
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