If you have a cough - consider this
If you have a cough - consider this
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Dave2P

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823 posts

209 months

Thursday 1st July 2010
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Right, a bottle of injector cleaner and a set of new plugs later... still coughing. Bah. So I poke around the engine bay while she's still running and find a gentle breeze of warm air squirting from the left rear corner. Quick shifty with the torch shows this...



... no, not the fact that some git has left a red rubber band in my engine bay... it's split! It's the bendy flex pipe coming out of the intercooler eventually leading to the front turbo.



From a corresponding scuff on the inside of the clam it looks like it's been rubbing there.

Does anyone have a part number and best source for this please?

Many TIA, Dave

david.mt

1,173 posts

212 months

Thursday 1st July 2010
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Time for the Pro Alloy hard pipe kit and header tank then wink

Anyone who had upgraded to the hard pipes will have a spare - I know I do and you are welcome to it but presume it would be easier to find someone local (and I am off to Italy for a few days tomorrow biggrin)

Dave2P

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823 posts

209 months

Thursday 1st July 2010
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david.mt said:
Time for the Pro Alloy hard pipe kit and header tank then wink
Oh no... bright shiny things, bright shiny things... cloud9 ...but that'd make my "original" exhaust look like the rusty end-of-life component it really is and then, and then, and then I'd have some explaining to do...

david.mt said:
Anyone who had upgraded to the hard pipes will have a spare - I know I do and you are welcome to it but presume it would be easier to find someone local
Thanks for the offer David; anyone darn sarf got one gathering dust? or am I going to have to talk to Pro Alloy in the morning... hehe

Blu3R

2,380 posts

228 months

Thursday 1st July 2010
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Without wanting to make you feel worse, changing this part won't solve your cough problem. There's no MAF upstream of the turbos, its just a filter on the end so having air sucked in through that hose (isn't good - granted, but) won't affect the running of the car. Sorry!

Dave2P

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823 posts

209 months

Thursday 1st July 2010
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Blu3R said:
having air sucked in through that hose (isn't good - granted, but) won't affect the running of the car.
True... but my mystery misfire only happens on a trailing (or steady) throttle below 3-4000rpm. Accelerating / higher revs is smooth and (apparently) not lacking power.

Is it not the case that the pressure at that bend will be +ve until the turbo spins up (hence the air blowing out at idle)? Could that not affect things elsewhere... when it's not on boost? You mean I can't justify the Pro Alloy kit as a necessary "repair"??? grumpy

...wanders off to draw plumbing diagrams and scratch head...

wessexrfc

4,326 posts

215 months

Thursday 1st July 2010
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Dave2P said:
Right, a bottle of injector cleaner and a set of new plugs later... still coughing. Bah. So I poke around the engine bay while she's still running and find a gentle breeze of warm air squirting from the left rear corner. Quick shifty with the torch shows this...



... no, not the fact that some git has left a red rubber band in my engine bay... it's split! It's the bendy flex pipe coming out of the intercooler eventually leading to the front turbo.



From a corresponding scuff on the inside of the clam it looks like it's been rubbing there.

Does anyone have a part number and best source for this please?

Many TIA, Dave
Hummm, I've just brought the Proalloy hard pipe kit and the garage is replacing those pipes, bks, got all excited on the Proalloy site and didn't give it a thought, I might have a spare set of flexi pipes going cheap wink

Blu3R

2,380 posts

228 months

Friday 2nd July 2010
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Dave2P said:
Blu3R said:
having air sucked in through that hose (isn't good - granted, but) won't affect the running of the car.
True... but my mystery misfire only happens on a trailing (or steady) throttle below 3-4000rpm. Accelerating / higher revs is smooth and (apparently) not lacking power.

Is it not the case that the pressure at that bend will be +ve until the turbo spins up (hence the air blowing out at idle)? Could that not affect things elsewhere... when it's not on boost? You mean I can't justify the Pro Alloy kit as a necessary "repair"??? grumpy

...wanders off to draw plumbing diagrams and scratch head...
The positive pressure you're feeling is the top end breathing back into the hose via the oil separator (thats the small hose that tee's into the flexi directly behind where you can feel air). If you want a repair instead of buying a new piece, get your electrical tape out, doesn't need to be anything more than that really. In fact, *cut the flexi in half or rip it totally off the front turbo, it'll still run the same.*

- *Don't actually do this as you could suck any sort of debris into the turbo!! Its just to try to illustrate that the only job of the flexi is to provide a snorkel for the front turbo so the filter can be more suitably placed.

Dave2P

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823 posts

209 months

Friday 2nd July 2010
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Blu3R said:
The positive pressure you're feeling is the top end breathing back into the hose via the oil separator
Ok, thanks - that figures; no hard-pipes today then... darn.

Need to replace the bendy pipe in any case - anyone got a spare?

funkybmx1

958 posts

223 months

Friday 2nd July 2010
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I got some. I'm in Essex. See where anyone else is

Adrian W

15,455 posts

257 months

Friday 2nd July 2010
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Dave2P said:
Blu3R said:
having air sucked in through that hose (isn't good - granted, but) won't affect the running of the car.
True... but my mystery misfire only happens on a trailing (or steady) throttle below 3-4000rpm. Accelerating / higher revs is smooth and (apparently) not lacking power.
Has it always done this? Has the car been remapped? Does the misfire coincide with one of the throttle sites?

Dave2P

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823 posts

209 months

Friday 2nd July 2010
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Adrian W said:
Has it always done this?
No, just the past couple of weeks. Worst when cold but continues when "warm" - a quick sprint seems to cure it for a while. Just momentary losses of power.

FWIW, the plugs I just removed had been in for about 4K - all looked normal and pretty much identical so I don't think it's a particular cylinder/coil.

Adrian W said:
Has the car been remapped?
No.

Adrian W said:
Does the misfire coincide with one of the throttle sites?
Not sure what you mean? It seems to occur around 2.5-3K revs.

I'll replace the split hose but after that I'm out of ideas so it'll probably be over to Skip to seek out the missing Mojo!

YellowShed

587 posts

312 months

Friday 2nd July 2010
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Dave,

Have you had a dodgy lambda sensor recently? Or an air leak in the exhaust, or the pipe under the throttle body blow off? It's likely that the ECU could have learned a bad adaptive owing to a bad lambda reading. That can manifest itself as cough/hiccups at the speeds where it learnt the adaptive. It doesn't adapt at higher throttles and under boost, so those would still be normal.

YellowShed

Dave2P

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209 months

Friday 2nd July 2010
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YellowShed said:
Have you had a dodgy lambda sensor recently? Or an air leak in the exhaust, or the pipe under the throttle body blow off?
Not that I'm aware of, although the exhaust is the original and certainly past its best cosmetically so may have sprung a leak somewhere. Are the lambda sensors easy to get at and is there a way to test them - or failing that are they cheap enough to just replace anyway?


YellowShed said:
It's likely that the ECU could have learned a bad adaptive owing to a bad lambda reading. That can manifest itself as cough/hiccups at the speeds where it learnt the adaptive. It doesn't adapt at higher throttles and under boost, so those would still be normal.
Thanks - that explanation makes some sense of the symptoms - I was thinking/hoping the split hose may have had that effect... frown

bernhund

3,798 posts

222 months

Friday 2nd July 2010
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Dave, did you set the correct gap on the plugs? Changed mine recently and all was well until 5000revs, then cough, splutter. Set gaps to about 1mm and no more issues.

Dave2P

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823 posts

209 months

Friday 2nd July 2010
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bernhund said:
Dave, did you set the correct gap on the plugs?
Yeah, all good there thanks Steve; the hiccups happened before the plug change.