Engine rebuild so milage has been reset...
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Does anyone think it is sensible/justifyable to reset a milage to zero if the car has had a new engine/rebuild?
I don't.
Does anyone think it is sensible/justifyable to reset a milage to zero if the car has had a new engine/rebuild?
I don't.
better than it being the other way.
Bloke on the Sorento forum bought a Sorento with all previous mot`s and loads of paper work, only done 70,000 miles from new all mot`s confirmed this.Anyway something didn`t feel right so bloke managed to track down 1st owner. The 1st owner had sold it before it`s first mot was due, with just over 160,000 miles on it!
No it wasn`t me.
Bloke on the Sorento forum bought a Sorento with all previous mot`s and loads of paper work, only done 70,000 miles from new all mot`s confirmed this.Anyway something didn`t feel right so bloke managed to track down 1st owner. The 1st owner had sold it before it`s first mot was due, with just over 160,000 miles on it!
No it wasn`t me.
While he's done nothing illegal my point would be that a car is so much more than just an engine. Ok so the engine may have been rebuilt but that doesn't mean the gearbox is now magically new, same goes for suspension, brakes, electronics etc. Also have all the ancilliaries been refurbished?
At the end of the day the odometer is there to inicate how many miles the car has done, not just the engine.
As a final point, how do you know how good the rebuild was? WEas it a total rebuild? did it cover everything or just components that showed excessive wear?
At the end of the day the odometer is there to inicate how many miles the car has done, not just the engine.
As a final point, how do you know how good the rebuild was? WEas it a total rebuild? did it cover everything or just components that showed excessive wear?
It's a bit contentious, but in this case, what's the point of zeroing the odometer. The display is 5 digits so 100,000 miles will read as 00000, as 97,000 + 2,500 = 99,500, he's effectively increased the odometer reading by 500 miles as it is showing 2,500 miles 500 miles earlier than it would have done if it had been left alone.
Even if I rebuilt the whole car - the sheetmetal and the welds that form the unitary construction have seen the wear and tear associated with xxxxxx miles of road usage, the spring and damper units and the bushes may have been replaced but strut tops, wishbones, mountings etc. haven't - the car may drive a lot like a new one (or even better than a standard new one depending on the spec of the rebuild) but it won't quite be a new one built to the same standard. I can't think of a justification of zeroing the odo on a car as long as major structural or mechanical parts of it are still the originals (and if they aren't you've built yourself a replica using an original chassis plate 
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).Edited by 900T-R on Saturday 3rd July 08:09
The only justification for zeroing an odo is if the odo has to be replaced, even then it's preferable to set the mileage to what old odo read.
I've had a brand new crate engine installed in one of old cars and wouldn't even consider changing the odo reading. It instantly sets off the warning bells to potential buyers when some mentions mileage correction so I've no idea why you would do it unless you had to.
I've had a brand new crate engine installed in one of old cars and wouldn't even consider changing the odo reading. It instantly sets off the warning bells to potential buyers when some mentions mileage correction so I've no idea why you would do it unless you had to.
Whilst everyone has raised valid points about the rest of the car having travelled the original mileage, only the engine is "new" and even then, there is no knowing how well it was rebuilt, I think you're all missing one major point- If you buy a vehicle on the basis of its odometer reading, you're asking for trouble. You need to look at the whole vehicle and make a judgement on its overall condition (along with the owner too!), the recorded mileage is a very small part of that decision process.
Edited by TallPaul on Saturday 3rd July 09:28
I see where you're coming from, but he's not trying to sell it as a 2,500 mile old car is it
If you were buying a 18/19 year old car, would you really expect it have done only 2,500 miles? He's also honest about the old odometer reading, so all in, you know it's done about 100k
In truth, apart from the odd RS500, most of these have done pretty high mileage, have been ragged to death by a former owner, had problems with tin worm or have been modified pretty heavily
In fairness, as Cossie's go, it looks like a quite tidy car that hasn't been messed around with too much - But if it's not for you, then don't buy it
If you were buying a 18/19 year old car, would you really expect it have done only 2,500 miles? He's also honest about the old odometer reading, so all in, you know it's done about 100k
In truth, apart from the odd RS500, most of these have done pretty high mileage, have been ragged to death by a former owner, had problems with tin worm or have been modified pretty heavily
In fairness, as Cossie's go, it looks like a quite tidy car that hasn't been messed around with too much - But if it's not for you, then don't buy it
How will you know if it really had 97k on to begin with ? A 13 year old MOT?
It could have been used for a further three of 4 years, before the computerised MOTs and THEN been reset.
There would be no need to reset the mileage. Also, why did it need a rebuild if it were such a nice car?
It could have been used for a further three of 4 years, before the computerised MOTs and THEN been reset.
There would be no need to reset the mileage. Also, why did it need a rebuild if it were such a nice car?
Certainly a little bit odd but then folk can be that way 
Just one of those cars which you'd have to check very carefully and if in doubt, get a professional inspection done by a Cossie expert.
I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand but i'd certainly be cautious. Back in the day, Cossies were very popular with folk who didn't own them.
Other thing to consider is, when it comes to selling time, you'll probably have potential buyers asking the same questions.
Just one of those cars which you'd have to check very carefully and if in doubt, get a professional inspection done by a Cossie expert.
I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand but i'd certainly be cautious. Back in the day, Cossies were very popular with folk who didn't own them.
Other thing to consider is, when it comes to selling time, you'll probably have potential buyers asking the same questions.
TallPaul said:
If you buy a vehicle on the basis of its odometer reading, you're asking for trouble. You need to look at the whole vehicle and make a judgement on its overall condition (along with the owner too!), the recorded mileage is a very small part of that decision process.
I wasn't suggesting you would only buy a car on the basis of an odometer reading, however i'd say it is a large part of the decision process. I would discount many cars on the basis of only the odometer reading. For example I wouldn't buy a ford with over 100k on the clock and i wouldn't buy any car with over 150k on the clock. Of course you consider condition, maintenance etc but only after the car has passed the 'not done too many miles ' test.IMHO what the seller has done in resetting the odo is reduce the value of the car and make it more difficult for the buyer to sell on at a later date.
Providing the seller has been honest and said the engine was replaced, so the mileage zero'd then no law is broken.
It is easier to know when the service/cam belt etc is due on a new engine with the mileage this way, as long as you are also told what the mileage was before the engine change
It is easier to know when the service/cam belt etc is due on a new engine with the mileage this way, as long as you are also told what the mileage was before the engine change
anonymous said:
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When did they ever make a 5 door 4x4? I thought all 4x4's were 4 door saloons, and the only hatchbacks were 3 door?Although I can see the point that the OP is making, surely when buying something like a Cossie, you buy purely on condition?
For example, I would much rather have a 140k cossie that has a documented restoration, than a messed about with, poorly maintained 70k example that's rotten as a pear underneath
Here's a perspective, only the engine has components that require replacement based upon miles. The running gear is replaced when it fails inpection, so resetting the odo although retarded in this case as the car only had to do 500 miles to reset it's own odo, is not a totally stupid thing to do to retain easy reminders of cambelt and service interval.
williamp said:
Providing the seller has been honest and said the engine was replaced, so the mileage zero'd then no law is broken.
It is easier to know when the service/cam belt etc is due on a new engine with the mileage this way, as long as you are also told what the mileage was before the engine change
Is there a law about "clocking"? And if so is there an exemption for an engine change?It is easier to know when the service/cam belt etc is due on a new engine with the mileage this way, as long as you are also told what the mileage was before the engine change
herewego said:
williamp said:
Providing the seller has been honest and said the engine was replaced, so the mileage zero'd then no law is broken.
It is easier to know when the service/cam belt etc is due on a new engine with the mileage this way, as long as you are also told what the mileage was before the engine change
Is there a law about "clocking"? And if so is there an exemption for an engine change?It is easier to know when the service/cam belt etc is due on a new engine with the mileage this way, as long as you are also told what the mileage was before the engine change
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