Now your car will turn 'informant' on you..
Now your car will turn 'informant' on you..
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Funk

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27,709 posts

239 months

Sunday 4th July 2010
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Whilst I'm sure there are many benefits to this sort of technology, I wouldn't be happy having anything like this on my car. If this is the future of motoring, it looks pretty bleak. I certainly find the concept of a car that will wrest control from you on a whim sinister; the whole system is ripe for abuse.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/7870387...

The Telegraph said:
Intelligent cars fitted with aircraft-style black boxes that can send video footage and information about driving behaviour during accidents to the police and insurance companies are being developed by computer scientists.

The car, which is being developed by researchers at computer chip giant Intel, will record information about the vehicle speed, steering and braking along with video footage from inside and outside the vehicle.

This would be automatically sent to police and insurance companies in the event of an accident to make it easier to determine the cause of car crashes and identify the person responsible.

The device forms part of an intelligent car envisaged by researchers at computer chip giant Intel. They are developing technology that will transform cars into smart vehicles that are able to detect dangers on the road and even take over control from motorists.

They have been in discussions with car manufacturers about developing cars that are permanently connected to the internet and other vehicles using wireless technology.

Camera systems that can recognise street signs and then take over control of a car if the motorist tries to drive the wrong way up a one-way street, for example, are being developed for use in vehicles.

On board sensors will also be able to detect pot holes in the road and report their location to road maintenance authorities as the car is moving.

The cars will also be able to track the location of surrounding vehicles and alert drivers if they get too close or try to change lanes when another vehicle is in their blind spot.

Using the LED rear and head lights found in most modern cars, the car is able to track the location of other vehicles and display them on a satellite navigation map.

Motorists will also be able to use their mobile phone or computer lock and unlock their car remotely, turn on the alarm and even start the engine to warm it up in the morning.

The technology was revealed at a research showcase by Intel in Santa Clara, California, last week. The company has been in discussions with car manufacturers about putting the technology into new vehicles.

Justin Ratner, the director of Intel Laboratories and chief technology officer, said: "We are looking at a whole range of enhancements that will improve the driving experience, safety and security of vehicles.

"The intelligent vehicle is what we are talking about here. Once a car is connected, more or less on a continuous basis, all sorts of interesting possibilities present themselves.

"With vision systems on cars, it is perfectly reasonable for a car on its own to see the sign that says 'wrong way' or 'do not enter' and bring the vehicle to a halt at the side of the road so we don't have these senseless accidents where someone has failed to recognise a sign.

"We have talked to highway maintenance departments about using sensors that are already in cars to report the GPS coordinates for pot holes in the road to the maintenance department."

Insurance companies are expected to welcome on-board car systems that will reduce the risk of accidents.

A spokesman for the Association of British Insurers said that aviation style black box technology for recording the circumstances around accidents could also help speed up payouts by reducing delays in determining causes of accidents.

He said: "Insurance companies are always looking at new in car technology. A system like this could certainly help speed up the process of determining the cause and responsibility of an accident.

"Any system would have to not increase the cost of repairing vehicles though, to ensure that motorists see a fall in their insurance bills."
Edited by Funk on Sunday 4th July 02:47

Typhon

525 posts

264 months

Sunday 4th July 2010
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What a load of bullst. The unfortunate thing is that people will fall for it, too.

Somehow I don't see potholes being systematically filled in with the introduction of this system, not that such technology is even required for finding holes in roads.

Typhon

525 posts

264 months

Sunday 4th July 2010
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I'd imagine in these times there are better ways of spending money than trying to introduce this.

u05je7

154 posts

200 months

Sunday 4th July 2010
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I would be encasing whatever transmitter to the outside world the box has with a nice piece of lead!

Deva Link

26,934 posts

275 months

Sunday 4th July 2010
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The EU will make GPS mandatory in new cars in the next few years - their original target date was 2010, but it keeps slipping. 2014 is being spoken about now.

They're pushing it through in guise of eCall, but it will be enable a lot of other functions - particualrly road charging and speed control.

eCall is the reason 112 was added as an alternative to 999 a couple of years ago. http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/activities...

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

276 months

Sunday 4th July 2010
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This is w-a-a-y out of date. Air bag modules have for years been recording data in the final few seconds leading up to a crash. There have been successful prosecutions based on data retrieved from air bag modules. The info extracted below relates to GM vehicles but other manufacturers use similar systems, including VW/Audi.

http://www.download3k.com/Press-Airbag-black-box-c...

www.airbagcrash.com is one company that currently offers airbag crash data retrieval via the SDM (sensing and diagnostic module aka the black box) module for General Motors (GM) vehicles. This can only be done using the Vetronix CDR equipment and a PC. The airbag SDM module recorder can offer extremely important vehicle data in the final 5 seconds leading up to an accident event. www.airbagcrash.com offers this information to individuals, insurance companies, rental car fleets, etc. GM dealers do not use the Vetronix CDR. The GM Tech 2 will not collect the crash deployment data.


AIRBAG SDM 'BLACK BOX' CRASH DATA AVAILABLE (depending on year and model)

Vehicle speed (in five one-second intervals preceding impact)
Engine speed (in five one-second intervals preceding impact)
Brake status (in five one-second intervals preceding impact)
Throttle position (in five one-second intervals preceding impact)
Driver's seat belt state (On/Off)
Passenger's airbag enabled or disabled state (On/Off)
Airbag Warning Lamp status (On/Off)
Time from vehicle impact to airbag deployment
Maximum Delta-V for near-deployment event
Delta-V vs. time for frontal airbag deployment event
Time from vehicle impact to time of maximum Delta-V
Time between near-deploy and deploy event (if within 5 seconds)


Funk

Original Poster:

27,709 posts

239 months

Sunday 4th July 2010
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No doubt you're correct about the airbags, however:

Article said said:
The technology was revealed at a research showcase by Intel in Santa Clara, California, last week."
So yes, some of it's been around a while, but the newer elements of it are only becoming possible now.

slipstream 1985

13,774 posts

209 months

Sunday 4th July 2010
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i feel like a terminator 2 style take down of cyberdine systems to put a halt to this.


bazking69

8,620 posts

220 months

Sunday 4th July 2010
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The theory behind such technology is brilliant. It would resolve insurance claim blame and quibbles immediately and even help to stop the 'I had a car park dink and now I have back problems' brigade. It would also aid in the identification of habitually bad drivers...

However, the reality is that it'll give insurers so many things to pull you up on if you aren't anything other than squeeky clean and law abiding.

Personally, I think people should have the option to opt into such technology in return for reduced premiums.

anonymous-user

84 months

Sunday 4th July 2010
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At the end of the day the system will rely on data from sensors and software. Two of the easiest things to undo wink

mylesmcd

2,587 posts

249 months

Sunday 4th July 2010
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u05je7 said:
I would be encasing whatever transmitter to the outside world the box has with a nice piece of lead!
you big smarty pants you!

Hitler Hadrump

1,750 posts

203 months

Sunday 4th July 2010
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The Telegraph said:
Camera systems that can recognise street signs and then take over control of a car if the motorist tries to drive the wrong way up a one-way street, for example, are being developed for use in vehicles.
Admitted auto-luddite here, but this sounds like it could go wrong. Very wrong.

But looking on the bright side, if I strapped a no entry sign to my back bumper, would every tailgater find their brakes locked on?