Small piece of neighbours land, which they can't access
Small piece of neighbours land, which they can't access
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ln1234

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848 posts

221 months

Wednesday 7th July 2010
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Have a slight disagreement with a neighbour.

We have a weird shaped garden, and part of the boundary is a fence, which has a neighbours garden building on the other side. There is about a 10cm gap between the fence and the neighbours garden building, which he doesn't have any direct access to (he snookered himself when constructing this building).
There are lot of weeds that grow in this gap between fence and building, and I would like to take down this fence and take care of the little strip of land (not claiming any rights to it of course).

Can I do this? Are there are laws about land that you can't access? If this piece of land is left as it is, no one will be able to access it.

Cheers

randlemarcus

13,646 posts

254 months

Wednesday 7th July 2010
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There will have been a reason for him leaving the 10cm strip between his building and your land. It remains a valid reason in law, and not a reason for you to snaffle his garden smile

If you're concerned about weeds, some boiling water and then a liberal dose of dishwasher salt will help to curb them, and keep them nice and tidy behind your fence, so you can go back to ignoring them. If that fails, don't consider a light spray with some petrol, as that would be bad.

Its not yours, and never will be, even if he can't use it. Moving the fence will simply annoy him, and confuse things in the future.

Sheets Tabuer

21,020 posts

238 months

Wednesday 7th July 2010
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Do they grow over in to your garden?

You can cut plants that overhang your garden but I don't think you can remove your fence and attack the neighbours.

ln1234

Original Poster:

848 posts

221 months

Wednesday 7th July 2010
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randlemarcus said:
There will have been a reason for him leaving the 10cm strip between his building and your land. It remains a valid reason in law, and not a reason for you to snaffle his garden smile

If you're concerned about weeds, some boiling water and then a liberal dose of dishwasher salt will help to curb them, and keep them nice and tidy behind your fence, so you can go back to ignoring them. If that fails, don't consider a light spray with some petrol, as that would be bad.

Its not yours, and never will be, even if he can't use it. Moving the fence will simply annoy him, and confuse things in the future.
Good Points. I don't he left that bit of land intentionally - the builders built it and it was what was left over. The actual fence belongs to me (as per the deeds) - If I can't move the fence itself, can I change it for something a bit lower which would enable me to tidy that bit of garden?

ln1234

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848 posts

221 months

Wednesday 7th July 2010
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Sheets Tabuer said:
Do they grow over in to your garden?
Yes they do and the neighbour can't tidy them as he has no physical access.

Sheets Tabuer

21,020 posts

238 months

Wednesday 7th July 2010
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You can change the fence but you can only cut things that overhang your land, you can't for instance but you hand over and trim stuff on his side.

Mattt

16,664 posts

241 months

Wednesday 7th July 2010
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Offer to buy it? We did similar with an unused bit of garden with a neighbour.

cjs

11,465 posts

274 months

Wednesday 7th July 2010
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So if you just remove the fence you will be left with the neighbours wall yes? Why not just do it, you are only talking 10cm, that's 4 inches, there is no law to say you have to have a fence on a boundary. Anyway, why would he even care, have you asked him?

Edited by cjs on Wednesday 7th July 12:27

Sheets Tabuer

21,020 posts

238 months

Wednesday 7th July 2010
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Have you asked him if he minds you chucking some weedkiller down, avoiding root damage to the building?

IIRC some invasive species have to be controlled by law by him

rb5230

11,657 posts

195 months

Wednesday 7th July 2010
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Mattt said:
Offer to buy it? We did similar with an unused bit of garden with a neighbour.
+1, if its no good to him he will probably sell it for very little, or you could just talk to him and ask if he minds if you deal with the weeds. communication is the key in either case.

cjs

11,465 posts

274 months

Wednesday 7th July 2010
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rb5230 said:
Mattt said:
Offer to buy it? We did similar with an unused bit of garden with a neighbour.
+1, if its no good to him he will probably sell it for very little, or you could just talk to him and ask if he minds if you deal with the weeds. communication is the key in either case.
It's only a 4" strip of land, how can you buy it, it is worthless, the legal work will cost more than the land.

rb5230

11,657 posts

195 months

Wednesday 7th July 2010
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cjs said:
rb5230 said:
Mattt said:
Offer to buy it? We did similar with an unused bit of garden with a neighbour.
+1, if its no good to him he will probably sell it for very little, or you could just talk to him and ask if he minds if you deal with the weeds. communication is the key in either case.
It's only a 4" strip of land, how can you buy it, it is worthless, the legal work will cost more than the land.
its not worthlesss if someone wants to buy it, its a 4" strip but it could be 100m long we dont know the length of it. and it really would not cost much to buy or in legalities.

ln1234

Original Poster:

848 posts

221 months

Wednesday 7th July 2010
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rb5230 said:
cjs said:
rb5230 said:
Mattt said:
Offer to buy it? We did similar with an unused bit of garden with a neighbour.
+1, if its no good to him he will probably sell it for very little, or you could just talk to him and ask if he minds if you deal with the weeds. communication is the key in either case.
It's only a 4" strip of land, how can you buy it, it is worthless, the legal work will cost more than the land.
its not worthlesss if someone wants to buy it, its a 4" strip but it could be 100m long we dont know the length of it. and it really would not cost much to buy or in legalities.
It's about 4m long by 10cm. If there was an agremeent, what do the legalities entail?

rb5230

11,657 posts

195 months

Wednesday 7th July 2010
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ln1234 said:
rb5230 said:
cjs said:
rb5230 said:
Mattt said:
Offer to buy it? We did similar with an unused bit of garden with a neighbour.
+1, if its no good to him he will probably sell it for very little, or you could just talk to him and ask if he minds if you deal with the weeds. communication is the key in either case.
It's only a 4" strip of land, how can you buy it, it is worthless, the legal work will cost more than the land.
its not worthlesss if someone wants to buy it, its a 4" strip but it could be 100m long we dont know the length of it. and it really would not cost much to buy or in legalities.
It's about 4m long by 10cm. If there was an agremeent, what do the legalities entail?
if thats the case i would just ask the neighbour of he would either let you have it or let you give him a very small amount of money. im pretty sure you can just write up a signed agreement between the 2 parties and be done with it. or he will just allow you to move the fence and im sure it will never be an issue. a future purchaser is hardly going to ever want that land back anyway and the land registry records will not be so precise as to tell of that bit of land.

cjs

11,465 posts

274 months

Wednesday 7th July 2010
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So as I already said, just remove the fence, it is yours correct? If you want a boundary between his wall then put up a trellis and grow something nice up it. Job done.

squicky

278 posts

203 months

Wednesday 7th July 2010
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cjs said:
So as I already said, just remove the fence, it is yours correct? If you want a boundary between his wall then put up a trellis and grow something nice up it. Job done.
As long as you don't grow it on his land, job indeed done. However if you remove the fence and take over the small strip of land then this could be a remarkably easy way to start a huge neighbour feud.

I don't understand why you haven't talked to your neighbour about this first rather than asking on forums - if you don't get on with your neighbour then unfortunately there's nothing can be done about it other than trimming the overgrowth when it comes onto your side. However if you do get on; see what you can come to agreement with.

GreenDog

2,261 posts

215 months

Wednesday 7th July 2010
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When you say you have a disagreement with him do you mean that you've spoken to him about it and he's refused to do anything or that it's pissing you off but you've not actually spoken to him ?

If the neighbour has no access to the gap behind his building then will he even know if you spray some weedkiller down there anyway ?

ln1234

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848 posts

221 months

Wednesday 7th July 2010
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GreenDog said:
When you say you have a disagreement with him do you mean that you've spoken to him about it and he's refused to do anything or that it's pissing you off but you've not actually spoken to him ?

If the neighbour has no access to the gap behind his building then will he even know if you spray some weedkiller down there anyway ?
We had a disagreement about the land not being neglected and him not doing anything about it. He knows he can't access it anyway, but refuses to let me do anything with it. As it's my fence, I might just change it for trellis and trim back the weeds etc.

I was originally asking what the law is about land you can't access.

squicky

278 posts

203 months

Wednesday 7th July 2010
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We had a disagreement about the land not being neglected and him not doing anything about it. He knows he can't access it anyway, but refuses to let me do anything with it. As it's my fence, I might just change it for trellis and trim back the weeds etc.

I was originally asking what the law is about land you can't access.
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It's his land; you can't make him tidy it up and you can't without his permission tidy it up. Just because it's difficult to access doesn't change this.

Flintstone

8,644 posts

270 months

Wednesday 7th July 2010
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Seriously. Just tip a few watering cans of weedkiller over the fence and be done with it.