Lotus want Renault engines in 2011
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
Nice one if it comes through. Of the new teams, Lotus do come over as the ones most likely to jump up a level to be around the other cars next year, maybe giving Sauber, FI and Toro Rosso a fight by the end of this year.
Nice one if it comes through. Of the new teams, Lotus do come over as the ones most likely to jump up a level to be around the other cars next year, maybe giving Sauber, FI and Toro Rosso a fight by the end of this year.
trackrod944 said:
Given the pace and reliability of the Cosworths in the Williams, and sometime lack of it in the Renault engined cars, you have to question why. However, given the Rotweiller's genius for getting it right, there must a good reason somewhere.
confused slightly also. Williams are doing ok with the cosworth lump, surely lotus need to work on aerodynamics more than power.JB! said:
confused slightly also. Williams are doing ok with the cosworth lump, surely lotus need to work on aerodynamics more than power.
Whilst I don't agree that the Cosworth engine is ever going to be a front-runner, I do agree (FWIW) that Lotus might choose to spend their time on building a car for next year that doesn't look like it was designed by William Towns...it may be reliable and it may be the best of the new cars, but boy, bleeding edge it ain't....and yes, I know that Gazza targetted reliability in his first year....ETA that Gazza really is shooting for the stars - he has swiped a number of talented ex Jordan employees, chief amongst them (IMHO again) being Mark Smith. I personally think that his technique at Renault of having two design streams worked well and paved the way for the success that Tim Densham enjoyed later....
All this also suggests that the team has a good funding foundation, doesn't it?
Edited by rubystone on Monday 12th July 17:09
Read into it a bit on the BBC website, and there's the chance of Lotus branded road cars, which would suggest the engines will be quite a bit cheaper for them than the Cosworths overall. And bear in mind that Renault have a KERS experience. Also nice to see that they could be racing as Team Lotus fairly soon, with the proper badges and everything.
Lotus have done well this year, concentrating on finishing the races as much as possible. I can't remember seeing any silly mistakes (Webber flying thing excluded, but I don't think that was Heikki's fault) and if we have another wet race this year I wouldn't be surprised if they pick up a point or two. With all the changes for next year I reckon Lotus may make the leap up to Toro Rosso.
Lotus have done well this year, concentrating on finishing the races as much as possible. I can't remember seeing any silly mistakes (Webber flying thing excluded, but I don't think that was Heikki's fault) and if we have another wet race this year I wouldn't be surprised if they pick up a point or two. With all the changes for next year I reckon Lotus may make the leap up to Toro Rosso.
From a performance point of view, I think the main issue with the Cossie at the moment is that the performance tails off as the miles rack up, so an engine that's 2 or 3 races old but still needed for another race isnt nearly as powerful as a fresh one.
I also agree that with KERS coming back next year, Renault would likely be a better partner than Cosworth simply because of the relative experience with the technology.
I also agree that with KERS coming back next year, Renault would likely be a better partner than Cosworth simply because of the relative experience with the technology.
http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/20596.htm...
According to this they could earn £17m for finishing 10th in the championship.
According to this they could earn £17m for finishing 10th in the championship.
I'd say switching to Renault will cost them power ( why do you think Horner is wingeing about engine equalisation again) but the knock on of this is smaller radiators and lower fuel consumption, plus the resources Renault bring to bear in terms of helping with car installation / gearbox etc .
I'd suspect that the supply isn't just for engines but more of a package deal especially considering the issues they've had with hydraulics this year
I'd suspect that the supply isn't just for engines but more of a package deal especially considering the issues they've had with hydraulics this year
Mush as I respect Cosworth, the Renault is a better engine /package/
Three things have been talked about, one is cooling requirements of the Cosworth being somewhat harder to deal with, the next is the loss of power with miles, and lastly, the fuel consumption is said to be on the high side.
I think it's pretty clear that the top two engines are Renaults and Merc's, and whist the Merc would appear to have the power edge, the Renault is more economical and easier on the aero.
PS. I wonder is this is a start of a Cosworth exodus? - with the teams forced to use them all jumping ship?
Three things have been talked about, one is cooling requirements of the Cosworth being somewhat harder to deal with, the next is the loss of power with miles, and lastly, the fuel consumption is said to be on the high side.
I think it's pretty clear that the top two engines are Renaults and Merc's, and whist the Merc would appear to have the power edge, the Renault is more economical and easier on the aero.
PS. I wonder is this is a start of a Cosworth exodus? - with the teams forced to use them all jumping ship?
Edited by Scuffers on Tuesday 13th July 13:37
Although the Renault might not quite have the legs on a Mercedes lump, I very much doubt its down on power compared to the Cossie, certainly not over a 4 race lifetime of an engine. Horner whines because of the deficit to Mercedes and to some degree Ferrari. I suspect if there were any engine equalisation at the end of the year, Cosworth would also be allowed to modify their engine to bring it up to the current benchmark engines.
350Matt said:
I'd say switching to Renault will cost them power ( why do you think Horner is wingeing about engine equalisation again) but the knock on of this is smaller radiators and lower fuel consumption, plus the resources Renault bring to bear in terms of helping with car installation / gearbox etc .
I'd suspect that the supply isn't just for engines but more of a package deal especially considering the issues they've had with hydraulics this year
I'd suspect that the supply isn't just for engines but more of a package deal especially considering the issues they've had with hydraulics this year
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