putting a stage 2 rallye engine in my saxo 1.1
putting a stage 2 rallye engine in my saxo 1.1
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saxorallye1991

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5 posts

195 months

Wednesday 14th July 2010
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rite i got a 1.6 stage 2 rallye engine and want to put in my 1.1 x reg saxo easy done or not at all i have no ecu with the engine or inlet was thinkin of putting vtr inlet and ecu on or wont it work any ideas??

AndrewW-G

11,968 posts

247 months

Wednesday 14th July 2010
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1. If you want your car to go quicker, I’d suggest you sell current car and buy a quicker one
2. Buy a dictionary or go to school and learn English!

asgoo

36 posts

212 months

Wednesday 14th July 2010
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^ thats rubbish advice. find the rallye owners club or saxo sports club, its a common conversion (probably a few build threads to look through) and people there will answer your questions, not question your english.

no-worries88

1,817 posts

228 months

Wednesday 14th July 2010
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Im out of breath just reading that.

GazzaMogzy

116 posts

204 months

Wednesday 14th July 2010
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Should work fine, I'm sure the mk2 VTR matches the rallyes engine better than the mk1 so I'd go for that. Definitely worth upgrading your suspension and brakes if you're going to do this conversion, might aswell save up for an actual Rallye!

Kitchski

6,551 posts

261 months

Wednesday 14th July 2010
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Its a bolt for bolt conversion, but without the ECU you're not really gaining much. The MAP on the Rallye ECU is way better than the VTR one, which is purely setup for economy and a bit of low down torque.
You really need an ECU (preferably unlocked although people can do this for you) and the engine bay loom, which matching single plug connection. Just make sure your mk2 doesn't have triple plug.

rallycross

13,752 posts

267 months

Wednesday 14th July 2010
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this is something that comes up quite a lot.

the sensible answer is dont even bother.

in our championship most people use saxo's or 106's, its not worth the trouble and effort of building a small engined one into a bigger engined one. most things that matter are different.

so upgrading a road car to a bigger engine is just not worth the effort, cost, time, problems.


sell the engine to someone who can use it and but one ready to go.


Kitchski

6,551 posts

261 months

Wednesday 14th July 2010
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rallycross said:
this is something that comes up quite a lot.

the sensible answer is dont even bother.

in our championship most people use saxo's or 106's, its not worth the trouble and effort of building a small engined one into a bigger engined one. most things that matter are different.

so upgrading a road car to a bigger engine is just not worth the effort, cost, time, problems.


sell the engine to someone who can use it and but one ready to go.
Why? I had a VTS engine kicking around and a mk2 VTR. Many said, sell the VTR, buy a VTS...it's not worth the bother. But I know the VTR, I know what's wrong with it, what's good about it and enjoy the challenge of making something better. I now have a VTR 16v. It's not like it's a rare original car or anything, plus one less original 1.1 on the road isn't going to hurt anyone.

At least then the lad can do a project thread to give the grammer police something to get hard over too. Everyone wins!

Edited by Kitchski on Wednesday 14th July 20:27

rallycross

13,752 posts

267 months

Wednesday 14th July 2010
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he is talking about a 1.1, as the base car, then upgrading to 1.6.

so, 1.1 brakes, suspension, loom, fuel system, different rear beam, anti roll bars etc, steering (non pas) its a long list, and it probably affects things like immobiliser, electrics, dash etc.

The last thing you want is a dangerous car but now faster car, and taking a crappy little(old) french hatch and trying to make it faster by putting its big brothers engine in it is not a good idea (unless maybe you are a mechanic, and two complete cars side by side to swap all the bits into).

Just buy a VTR.
They are cheap and plenty of them.
VTR gives you 90 or 100 bhp depending on age.
A rallye gives 100 bhp.


This is the sort of thing you think is a great idea when you are 18.

saxorallye1991

Original Poster:

5 posts

195 months

Thursday 15th July 2010
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i am a mechanic and i do have most of the stuff i need i hit a bus in my rallye so the ecu is destroyed and i samshed the inlet into the steering rack i got all the brakes and suspention i need to upgrade it just havin the trouble with ecu and inlet as i cant find one any where also my gear box is smashed to fk was thinkin of puttin the 1.1 box on aswell will lower the speed but up the excelaration

Edited by saxorallye1991 on Thursday 15th July 19:11

tr7v8

7,622 posts

258 months

Thursday 15th July 2010
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saxorallye1991 said:
i am a mechanic and i do have most of the stuff i need i hit a bis in my rallye so the ecu is destroyed and i samshed the inlet into the steering rack i got all the brakes and suspention i need to upgrade it just havin the trouble with ecu and inlet as i cant find one any where also my gear box is smashed to fk was thinkin of puttin the 1.1 box on aswell will lower the speed but up the excelaration
Ah well if you'd told us you hit a bis & samshed it then its completely different biggrin

EDLT

15,421 posts

236 months

Thursday 15th July 2010
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The 1.1 box may not take the power upgrade, although that is only a guess.

It sounds like you hit the bus quite hard, are you sure everything on the engine is OK?

useyourdellusion

5,648 posts

220 months

Thursday 15th July 2010
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EDLT said:
The 1.1 box may not take the power upgrade, although that is only a guess.
I would imagine that would be the case. Wouldn't the ratios be totally wrong too?


saxorallye1991

Original Poster:

5 posts

195 months

Thursday 15th July 2010
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hit the bus between 60 and 90 ha ha n yeah the ratios will be wrong but i think it can take the power the engine is fine was still running after the crash dont know how mind needs new valve stem seals n but of tlc but thats about it

gj88

1,961 posts

224 months

Thursday 15th July 2010
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Dont forget to notify your insurance will you.

Meoricin

2,880 posts

199 months

Thursday 15th July 2010
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gj88 said:
Dont forget to notify your insurance will you.
But that'll put the insurance up! Much better to keep it a secret until he next hits a bis. rolleyes

tossbag

1,590 posts

236 months

Thursday 15th July 2010
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Holy hell.

OlberJ

14,101 posts

263 months

Thursday 15th July 2010
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rallycross said:
taking a crappy little(old) french hatch and trying to make it faster by putting its big brothers engine in it is not a good idea
Ban this filth!

It's what 205's were made for!

ic0n

206 posts

197 months

Thursday 15th July 2010
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Regarding gearbox:

S1 Rallye or 1.1 gearbox is the best acceleration ones to use.

ALL TU 106/Sax gearboxes are as weak as eachother.

lunchbox

623 posts

227 months

Thursday 15th July 2010
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useyourdellusion said:
EDLT said:
The 1.1 box may not take the power upgrade, although that is only a guess.
I would imagine that would be the case. Wouldn't the ratios be totally wrong too?
Think it's quite common to fit the 1.1 'box for better acceleration and the power increase he is talking about here isn't enough to bust a gearbox.

To be fair it's probably doable with the parts you have but would be a lot of work for not much gain.

(plus, you're way better fitting a 2.0 redtop into an old corsa if you wanna do something like this smile )