Does black tie always mean a tuxedo?

[anonymous-user]

Going to a wedding tonight, really nice location. Dress code is given as black tie and evening wear. Would you deem this to mean a tux?

I have one but feel like a monkey in it. Much rather wear a nice suit.

What say ph?

[DocJock]

Sounds like DJ to me chap.

[RDMcG]

always

[rudecherub]

Black tie means a dinner jacket and evening dress for the ladies, hence it's quite normal just to see 'black tie' although the ladies have more liberty to go with a cocktail dress rather than full length ball gown, you may try and pull off a James Bond with a white dinner jacket, but hard to do.

White tie means full evening dress of top hat and tails, Black tie was invented by Edward VII if I recall correctly as a less formal version of full evening dress.

[Shaw Tarse]

Though these days, some "celebs" think black tie means a black tie & lounge suit.

[anonymous-user]

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

You must be American ?

Tuxedo?

Ha, far from it. I was using that to describe a dj with trousers to match. I.e. With the line of mAterial down the side. What would you callthat?

[Engineer1]

Black tie or Dinner Suit or at a push DJ

I believe a full kilt rig is also Black tie.

Edited by Engineer1 on Saturday 17th July 18:43

[Saddle bum]

Shaw Tarse said:

Though these days, some "celebs" think black tie means a black tie & lounge suit.

....... and non-celebs like Gordon Brown.

[MPowerMark]

Yup.

[JonRB]

I really shudder when I see "tuxedo" written by Brits.

Also, anyone who tries to get away with a suit at a Black Tie event is either a chav, pikey, pleb or cheapskate.

Hope that helps.

Edited by JonRB on Saturday 17th July 18:54

[OzzyR1]

Just wear a DJ and a proper (ie. one that you tie rather than put on) bow tie.

Then you can undo it and leave it carelessly dangling around your neck later in the evening like a renegade James Bond.

This may or may not work with the ladies, dependant on whether they're the type who dress up to go to Aintree or not...

[NiceCupOfTea]

Black tie = dinner suit (jacket & trousers), white dress shirt with normal collar (can wear a wing collar if desired although the PH sartorial police will not approve!), black bow tie, black cummerbund, black socks, black shoes (not patent).

[Edinburger]

OzzyR1 said:

Just wear a DJ and a proper (ie. one that you tie rather than put on) bow tie.

Then you can undo it and leave it carelessly dangling around your neck later in the evening like a renegade James Bond.

This may or may not work with the ladies, dependant on whether they're the type who dress up to go to Aintree or not...

Or, you could take an untied one and swap half-way through (I've seen that done).

I wear my kilt to black tie dos in Bonnie Prince Charlie, with either bow tie or a cravat.

[anonymous-user]

NiceCupOfTea said:

Black tie = dinner suit (jacket & trousers), white dress shirt with normal collar (can wear a wing collar if desired although the PH sartorial police will not approve!), black bow tie, black cummerbund, black socks, black shoes (not patent).

Thanks all decision made. As above bar the cummerbund.

[whoami]

NiceCupOfTea said:

Black tie = dinner suit (jacket & trousers), white dress shirt with normal collar (can wear a wing collar if desired although the PH sartorial police will not approve!), black bow tie, black cummerbund, black socks, black shoes (not patent).

Shoes should be patent.

[rudecherub]

Shaw Tarse said:

Though these days, some "celebs" think black tie means a black tie & lounge suit.

I've noticed a lot wearing a tie in black ( funeral basic ) as opposed to a black bow tie with a Dinner jacket ie satin lapels

[JonRB]

rudecherub said:

Shaw Tarse said:

Though these days, some "celebs" think black tie means a black tie & lounge suit.

I've noticed a lot wearing a tie in black ( funeral basic ) as opposed to a black bow tie with a Dinner jacket ie satin lapels

Yes, well celebrity doesn't automatically confer class or breeding.

[grumbledoak]

whoami said:

Shoes should be patent.

Very "tries hard", these days. I'd avoid. In fact, a prior OH informed me in no uncertain terms that I was dumped if I wore them.

[ShadownINja]

You could always wear a nice dress.

[mybrainhurts]

MRSNEAK said:

tuxedo

DINNER JACKET...

You 'tard...