Surface Dressing Injunction?
Discussion
Had a note through my door saying
"Surface Dressing is due to start tomorrow"
It is a quiet residential street with 13 houses.
The road surface is perfect at the minute no problems at all no cracks no potholes.
How can I stop them doing it!!???
I rang the council and the person was not in so I emailed and copied in my local councillor.
Any other ideas? I could park my car on the road!
"Surface Dressing is due to start tomorrow"
It is a quiet residential street with 13 houses.
The road surface is perfect at the minute no problems at all no cracks no potholes.
How can I stop them doing it!!???
I rang the council and the person was not in so I emailed and copied in my local councillor.
Any other ideas? I could park my car on the road!
GKP said:
13 houses? There's not going to be nearly enough traffic to compress the grit. Better buy yourself a new broom.
Depends what they do. They might be doing the recycling thing where they dig the surface off, melt it and relay it. Makes for a really abrasive surface but no chippings.Munter said:
bassanclan said:
Any other ideas? I could park my car on the road!
Can you imagine Council surfacing contractors gently removing your car?....Personally I wouldn't.
Have you ever seen any work done by the council? They'll just go around it, and leave the but under the car untouched
tegwin said:
Dont be silly.... its easier to lay tar/chippings on good tarmac.... why would you waste time and effort laying it on bad road surfaces?!?..... they do that around here as well.. ruin perfectly good road surfaces with s
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+1 in Nottingham area too.teAll the s
te roads stay ste, and they plaster the good ones with un-ridable gravel that they leave in that state for months.Surface dressing is brilliant preventative maintenance, aswell as being cheap.
Although by the sounds of things, people would rather they leave the roads until they degrade beyond repair, need digging out and completely redoing at great expense.
Even though a road may look fine with no cracks, if they've used a low PSV aggregate, the road will be shiney and very slippery after the bitumen (NOT TAR!) has worn off. Hence spraying down some bitumen and new aggregate to prevent an overly slippery road surface, that members of the public will skid on and then sue the council.
Seems impossible to win.
Although by the sounds of things, people would rather they leave the roads until they degrade beyond repair, need digging out and completely redoing at great expense.
Even though a road may look fine with no cracks, if they've used a low PSV aggregate, the road will be shiney and very slippery after the bitumen (NOT TAR!) has worn off. Hence spraying down some bitumen and new aggregate to prevent an overly slippery road surface, that members of the public will skid on and then sue the council.
Seems impossible to win.
I'm not sure that surface dressing is actually a great preventative measure.
The cost of surface dressing our street is £550 and apparently will need doing again in 7-8 years. Asphalt being 10 times the cost
The cost of 1m pothole repair is £30.
I would rather they saved the £550 and used it to repair an occassional pothole which which may occur
The cost of surface dressing our street is £550 and apparently will need doing again in 7-8 years. Asphalt being 10 times the cost
The cost of 1m pothole repair is £30.
I would rather they saved the £550 and used it to repair an occassional pothole which which may occur
8400rpm said:
Surface dressing is brilliant preventative maintenance, aswell as being cheap.
I'm sorry, but WTF??Do you have anything to actually back up that claim?
Because all I can tell is it does this:
-takes days to do and wastes money and man power
-makes the road very dangerous (slippery), even more so for bikes
-damages cars due to stone chips and debris, either as a single vehicle or following
-makes it dangerous for pedestrians and push bikes due to flying stones
-does nothing more than "paint over the cracks". All the pot holes, undulations, cracks and damage to the road are still there and are just as much of an issue
-wastes materials (where do all the lose stones go? Hedge rows, verges, fields, windscreens...) so therefore wastes and throws money away
-doesn't last, because once it no longer looks like a gravel rally stage the road is returned to its exact former state
-noisy to drive on, more so with the gravel, but a piss poor surface afterwards too
-abrasive surface before and after, so increase wear on tyres
-gets tar all over peoples cars
-gets chewed up within 5 mins at every junction or turning. Even more so if trucks, lorries and farm vehicles use the roads (which they do)
-dusty
Your turn.
The reason they do it - rightly or wrongly is normally to regain surface friction on polished roads once the old road has exceeded it's "investigatory level" (IL) for skid resistance.
Local Authorities and County Councils have a duty of care to maintain the surface charecteristics in terms of friction coefficient.
Of course the main worry to them is corporate manslaughter if poeple crash and prove the road did not have a high enough SRV (skid resistance value) through the aggregate being polished (low Polished Stone Value)
This means they have limited assets to manage the network so they look at what costs them most money in terms of liability.
That turns out out to be whats known as KSI accidents (killed or seriously injured).
It's cheap to kill someone lol, but if they are seriously injured and survive you have to support them through their future problems so the compensation is higher.
The majority of KSI happen on rural back lanes and B roads due to trees, ditches ect when cars fall off the road, so councils use their resources to keep skid resistance up there rather than properly structurally resurfacing the carriageways.
There is even a school of thought that says poor ride quality slows down traffic - hence free traffic calming and less KSI so leave it alone and just arse cover for skid resistance.
I am not being cynical I have technical dealings with the highways asset managers and believe me they are that crass about it!
Local Authorities and County Councils have a duty of care to maintain the surface charecteristics in terms of friction coefficient.
Of course the main worry to them is corporate manslaughter if poeple crash and prove the road did not have a high enough SRV (skid resistance value) through the aggregate being polished (low Polished Stone Value)
This means they have limited assets to manage the network so they look at what costs them most money in terms of liability.
That turns out out to be whats known as KSI accidents (killed or seriously injured).
It's cheap to kill someone lol, but if they are seriously injured and survive you have to support them through their future problems so the compensation is higher.
The majority of KSI happen on rural back lanes and B roads due to trees, ditches ect when cars fall off the road, so councils use their resources to keep skid resistance up there rather than properly structurally resurfacing the carriageways.
There is even a school of thought that says poor ride quality slows down traffic - hence free traffic calming and less KSI so leave it alone and just arse cover for skid resistance.
I am not being cynical I have technical dealings with the highways asset managers and believe me they are that crass about it!
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