hello , new noble m12 3r . tuning help
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hi people im about to buy a 03 m12 3r , the car's got some mod's not sure of the full spec yet, im looking at the car on saturday. I would like to know a bit about the car's power ect. and what mod's i can do to raise the bhp , ecu map ect,, do any of you know what power i wiil get with small mods. the car has a hand made exhaust and air filters , with these small mods and a euc map. what power am i looking at.. thanks
Edited by fhonejacker on Thursday 22 July 23:28
Hi Dean, and welcome, Titanium Silver per-chance??? If it is, my 3R had one of the first Urban exhaust and I have been very pleased with it. Looking back at my dyno reading, with just this system fitted, the hp figure was 356.8. Looks like this one has 85% hard pipe system, but not full, only talking about the feed pipes to the (as I see it in the pic) off side turbo, can’t see the near side, (to check the feed pipes to both turbos should be feed via alloy pipes and silicone joiners.)
Can’t tell if it’s the standard or upgraded intercooler, also check the lights, looks to me someone has upgraded their head lights, but look closely at the wiring, insurance company’s, (if anything goes wrong, ie fire) don’t like certain electrical joiners, just make sure it looks professional, if not get them to wire correctly, the upgrade otherwise is fine, many have done this. The rear lights look too dark, make sure these pass an independent MOT inspection.
If this car has been remapped, it should be in the history, the car may be know to others one this site and may be able to give you some more info, (that’s if it’s the same car I’m thinking) Cost of exhaust aprox £1300, other useful upgrade are fuel pump and wiring for fuel pump, Dave from Urban may have already done this as he did mine when I had my system fitted. Otherwise is a great looking car, interior a bit bright, but you can soon get used to that, if you buy it, you will love it!!! BOL
Can’t tell if it’s the standard or upgraded intercooler, also check the lights, looks to me someone has upgraded their head lights, but look closely at the wiring, insurance company’s, (if anything goes wrong, ie fire) don’t like certain electrical joiners, just make sure it looks professional, if not get them to wire correctly, the upgrade otherwise is fine, many have done this. The rear lights look too dark, make sure these pass an independent MOT inspection.
If this car has been remapped, it should be in the history, the car may be know to others one this site and may be able to give you some more info, (that’s if it’s the same car I’m thinking) Cost of exhaust aprox £1300, other useful upgrade are fuel pump and wiring for fuel pump, Dave from Urban may have already done this as he did mine when I had my system fitted. Otherwise is a great looking car, interior a bit bright, but you can soon get used to that, if you buy it, you will love it!!! BOL
the cars on pistonheads looks like a good car.. im going in green when it comes to the noble so your info comes in well handy. so do you know the car then its got lots of paper work.
wessexrfc said:
Hi Dean, and welcome, Titanium Silver per-chance??? If it is, my 3R had one of the first Urban exhaust and I have been very pleased with it. Looking back at my dyno reading, with just this system fitted, the hp figure was 356.8. Looks like this one has 85% hard pipe system, but not full, only talking about the feed pipes to the (as I see it in the pic) off side turbo, can’t see the near side, (to check the feed pipes to both turbos should be feed via alloy pipes and silicone joiners.)
Can’t tell if it’s the standard or upgraded intercooler, also check the lights, looks to me someone has upgraded their head lights, but look closely at the wiring, insurance company’s, (if anything goes wrong, ie fire) don’t like certain electrical joiners, just make sure it looks professional, if not get them to wire correctly, the upgrade otherwise is fine, many have done this. The rear lights look too dark, make sure these pass an independent MOT inspection.
If this car has been remapped, it should be in the history, the car may be know to others one this site and may be able to give you some more info, (that’s if it’s the same car I’m thinking) Cost of exhaust aprox £1300, other useful upgrade are fuel pump and wiring for fuel pump, Dave from Urban may have already done this as he did mine when I had my system fitted. Otherwise is a great looking car, interior a bit bright, but you can soon get used to that, if you buy it, you will love it!!! BOL
Can’t tell if it’s the standard or upgraded intercooler, also check the lights, looks to me someone has upgraded their head lights, but look closely at the wiring, insurance company’s, (if anything goes wrong, ie fire) don’t like certain electrical joiners, just make sure it looks professional, if not get them to wire correctly, the upgrade otherwise is fine, many have done this. The rear lights look too dark, make sure these pass an independent MOT inspection.
If this car has been remapped, it should be in the history, the car may be know to others one this site and may be able to give you some more info, (that’s if it’s the same car I’m thinking) Cost of exhaust aprox £1300, other useful upgrade are fuel pump and wiring for fuel pump, Dave from Urban may have already done this as he did mine when I had my system fitted. Otherwise is a great looking car, interior a bit bright, but you can soon get used to that, if you buy it, you will love it!!! BOL
wessexrfc said:
No I don’t know the car personally, but it looks to me that someone has spent some money on it. Have a look, take some photos and find out what upgrades have been done, post the info and you will get some helpful advice.
whats the bhp of the m 12.3r out the box.. and what am i looking at with ecu map and exhaust and air filters..? Taken from Wiki, 4th from top of page:
Noble M12
The Noble M12 is a two-door, two-seater model that has evolved through three coupe versions (GTO, GTO-3, and the current GTO-3R). A convertible variant (The M12 GTC) has been shown at motorshows but is yet to make production. All M12s have been powered by modified turbocharged Ford Duratec V6 engines. The M12 GTO used a 2.5-litre version of the engine, while the GTO-3 and GTO-3R were upgraded to the 3.0-litre Duratec. Power has progressed from 310 bhp (231 kW) to 352 bhp (262 kW).
The M12 has a full steel roll cage, steel frame, and G.R.P. (fibre glass) composite clam shell body parts. These cars are extremely lightweight and stiff. Although looking to be track derived, the M12 performs very well on both road and track, with surprisingly good ride quality, but a rigid feel. This is achieved by having no anti-roll bars on the car. This allows suspension to be made hard without making a back breaking ride.
The GTO3R weighs 2380 lb (1080 kg), has 352 bhp (262 kW) and does 0-60 mph (0-97 km/h) in 3.8 seconds. In their initial review of the M12 GTO3R, Road and Track indicated a 0-60 mph performance of 3.3 seconds, but subsequently listed it as 3.7 seconds. Its top speed is listed as 170 mph (274 km/h). Lateral Gs are reported in excess of 1.22.
As far as power, with mods, if you have up-rated fuel pump, uprated intercooler, good actuators and the engine is a good one, close to 370-380 should be achievable. Other have 400 with a bit of engine work others are around 500 with lots more work
Noble M12
The Noble M12 is a two-door, two-seater model that has evolved through three coupe versions (GTO, GTO-3, and the current GTO-3R). A convertible variant (The M12 GTC) has been shown at motorshows but is yet to make production. All M12s have been powered by modified turbocharged Ford Duratec V6 engines. The M12 GTO used a 2.5-litre version of the engine, while the GTO-3 and GTO-3R were upgraded to the 3.0-litre Duratec. Power has progressed from 310 bhp (231 kW) to 352 bhp (262 kW).
The M12 has a full steel roll cage, steel frame, and G.R.P. (fibre glass) composite clam shell body parts. These cars are extremely lightweight and stiff. Although looking to be track derived, the M12 performs very well on both road and track, with surprisingly good ride quality, but a rigid feel. This is achieved by having no anti-roll bars on the car. This allows suspension to be made hard without making a back breaking ride.
The GTO3R weighs 2380 lb (1080 kg), has 352 bhp (262 kW) and does 0-60 mph (0-97 km/h) in 3.8 seconds. In their initial review of the M12 GTO3R, Road and Track indicated a 0-60 mph performance of 3.3 seconds, but subsequently listed it as 3.7 seconds. Its top speed is listed as 170 mph (274 km/h). Lateral Gs are reported in excess of 1.22.
As far as power, with mods, if you have up-rated fuel pump, uprated intercooler, good actuators and the engine is a good one, close to 370-380 should be achievable. Other have 400 with a bit of engine work others are around 500 with lots more work
wessexrfc said:
As far as power, with mods, if you have up-rated fuel pump, uprated intercooler, good actuators and the engine is a good one, close to 370-380 should be achievable. Other have 400 with a bit of engine work others are around 500 with lots more work
Are you talking horsepower here or torque? I don't think you need any engine work, other than a remap and exhaust, to get near 460 hp, in addition to the intercooler and fuel pump that you mentioned. I fitted the uprated actuators, took it to Mike at area 52 and they got it to just under 400, it was the only day that all I could get was standard unleaded which would have made some more horses if the better stuff had been available.
I am looking to carry out a few mods this winter.
better valve springs
pro alloy intercooler
the mod on the pump is done
gearbox is to be done with new LSD and clutch to cope.
Any guesses on the outcome?
dont know whether to do anything to the turbo's yet, going to see what cost is
I am looking to carry out a few mods this winter.
better valve springs
pro alloy intercooler
the mod on the pump is done
gearbox is to be done with new LSD and clutch to cope.
Any guesses on the outcome?
dont know whether to do anything to the turbo's yet, going to see what cost is
To make 450 plus you need to do
Valve springs to allow it to rev
intercooler to keep it cool
fuel pump to Bosch 044
turbo's updated to T28 spec
hard pipe also helps
uprated injectors will allow 500 but how reliable the STD cast pistons will be know one knows !!!!
Wether 5/6 speed box you will need to get it uprated with a mew clutch !!
Trust me the end results are well worth it !!!!!!!
Valve springs to allow it to rev
intercooler to keep it cool
fuel pump to Bosch 044
turbo's updated to T28 spec
hard pipe also helps
uprated injectors will allow 500 but how reliable the STD cast pistons will be know one knows !!!!
Wether 5/6 speed box you will need to get it uprated with a mew clutch !!
Trust me the end results are well worth it !!!!!!!
TuxMan said:
To make 450 plus you need to do
Valve springs to allow it to rev
intercooler to keep it cool
fuel pump to Bosch 044
turbo's updated to T28 spec
hard pipe also helps
uprated injectors will allow 500 but how reliable the STD cast pistons will be know one knows !!!!
Wether 5/6 speed box you will need to get it uprated with a mew clutch !!
Trust me the end results are well worth it !!!!!!!
TuxValve springs to allow it to rev
intercooler to keep it cool
fuel pump to Bosch 044
turbo's updated to T28 spec
hard pipe also helps
uprated injectors will allow 500 but how reliable the STD cast pistons will be know one knows !!!!
Wether 5/6 speed box you will need to get it uprated with a mew clutch !!
Trust me the end results are well worth it !!!!!!!
What spec are springs?
Adrian W said:
TuxMan said:
To make 450 plus you need to do
turbo's updated to T28 spec
True ....... But you have a top spec mountune engine with high lift cams ,gas flowed heads and a host of other mods !!!! and are they STD T25 ??? Guessing they have been
uprated to higher spec ??? After all does you engine not rev to 8k will a stock T25 cope with that ??
I only used T25'sturbo's updated to T28 spec
True ....... But you have a top spec mountune engine with high lift cams ,gas flowed heads and a host of other mods !!!! and are they STD T25 ??? Guessing they have been
uprated to higher spec ??? After all does you engine not rev to 8k will a stock T25 cope with that ??
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