Ferrari and the FIA.......what will happen.
Ferrari and the FIA.......what will happen.

Poll: Ferrari and the FIA.......what will happen.

Total Members Polled: 362

penalised: 29%
not penalised: 40%
alonso hung drawn and quartered: 4%
nuke maranello from orbit: 4%
lewis & jenson DQ'd: 23%
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Castrol Craig

Original Poster:

18,073 posts

235 months

Sunday 25th July 2010
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whats your betting?

Shaw Tarse

31,887 posts

232 months

Sunday 25th July 2010
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No option for penalty for Lewis wink

Castrol Craig

Original Poster:

18,073 posts

235 months

Sunday 25th July 2010
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Shaw Tarse said:
No option for penalty for Lewis wink
yup...

xspencex

1,534 posts

265 months

Sunday 25th July 2010
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Got to be some kind of penatly, whether you think team orders should be allowed or not there is a clear rule on this and they obviously broke it. Problem might be that there won't be concrete evidence that they asked Massa to pull over, unless somebody at Ferrari owns up.

Man-At-Arms

5,920 posts

208 months

Sunday 25th July 2010
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where's the option :
Vettel shakes his finger ?

wink

mattley

3,035 posts

251 months

Sunday 25th July 2010
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As EJ, DC and MB all agreed, blatant Team orders, no penalties.

A sad day for what has up 'till now been a great season.

CardShark

4,262 posts

208 months

Sunday 25th July 2010
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As has been said on the red button, team orders never went away after 2002. Ferrari were bloody stupid in making it so blatent and I really wouldn't want to be either of their drivers for all the flack and questions that'll be thrown at them.

On the red button just now 'Ferrari bosses have been called in to see the stewards/FIA'

If Ferrari admit it was team orders then they know they'll suffer the rath of the stewards/FIA, therefore they won't. It *can* be argued that Massa made the descision off his own bat. We all know that team orders happen at every race.

Edit to say that I voted for 'no penalty', but not because of the FIA/Ferrari thing as I truly believe that, this year at least, Ferrari have been hit pretty hard by the stewards. I voted for 'no penalty' because they'd have to penalise a hell of a lot of other people.

Edited by CardShark on Sunday 25th July 16:09

He Skunk

396 posts

231 months

Sunday 25th July 2010
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I have to go to work now, I hope to find Alonso disqualified by the time I go on line this eve.

Quite apart from breaking the rules, it was particularly heartless of them to do the dirty on Masa on the 1st anniversary of his accident in Hungary.

Disqualify Alonso I say, anyway, it will give him the excuse to participate in his favourite sport, throwing tantrums. rage

M-J-B

15,398 posts

279 months

Sunday 25th July 2010
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Should have a poll...

What should happen!

hotmelt

861 posts

202 months

Sunday 25th July 2010
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Alonso said there were no team orders, he is one very nice and clever guy. He also thinks he is F1 superstar.

Jasandjules

72,580 posts

258 months

Sunday 25th July 2010
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If Alonso isn't disqualified and Ferrari don't have their constructor points reduced then this is a farce.

If they have rules then they have to enforce them, I mean, I seem to recall a very whinging driver on the radio when Lewis broke the rules....

Esseesse

9,027 posts

237 months

Sunday 25th July 2010
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M-J-B said:
Should have a poll...

What should happen!
Poll created.

M-J-B

15,398 posts

279 months

Sunday 25th July 2010
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Esseesse said:
M-J-B said:
Should have a poll...

What should happen!
Poll created.
Thanks!

Too busy watching the forum myself!

Ribbs27

87 posts

232 months

Sunday 25th July 2010
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After 25years as an avid F1 fan I can confirm with some conviction that Ferrari will receive no sanction.
Hats off to Red Bull and McLaren for letting their drivers go at it hammer and tongues all season and give us something exciting to watch.

woof

8,456 posts

306 months

Sunday 25th July 2010
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I actually think Ferrari are going to get a fine for this.
It also comes under the blanket rule of Bring the sport into disrepute.

Result will stand.

TonyToniTone

3,926 posts

278 months

Sunday 25th July 2010
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Ribbs27 said:
Hats off to Red Bull and McLaren for letting their drivers go at it hammer and tongues all season and give us something exciting to watch.
McLaren @Turkish Grand Prix said:
"Jenson’s closing in on me, you guys. If I back off, is Jenson going to pass me or not?"

The team replies: "No, Lewis. No."

P924

1,272 posts

211 months

Sunday 25th July 2010
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Ferrari need to be penalised for this.

Reversing the positions is not a penalty, thats as good as letting them off.

Mermaid

21,492 posts

200 months

Sunday 25th July 2010
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woof said:
I actually think Ferrari are going to get a fine for this.
It also comes under the blanket rule of Bring the sport into disrepute.

Result will stand.
If so..

Ferrari will have won, but the sport will have lost for a fine does not change people's view that justice will not have been done.

fadeaway

1,463 posts

255 months

Sunday 25th July 2010
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I think the FIA were hoping to get away with turning a blind eye to this. The press response has meant they've had not choice but to be seen to investigate.

Not sure how they'll be able to extract themselves without giving some form of penalty now.

Top marks to Ferrari, and Rob Smedley in particular, for the nice spin they've put on their words though.

My prediction is a fine for the team and some sharp words about anyone doing it again. Finish and points to remain.

zac510

5,546 posts

235 months

Sunday 25th July 2010
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TonyToniTone said:
Ribbs27 said:
Hats off to Red Bull and McLaren for letting their drivers go at it hammer and tongues all season and give us something exciting to watch.
McLaren @Turkish Grand Prix said:
"Jenson’s closing in on me, you guys. If I back off, is Jenson going to pass me or not?"

The team replies: "No, Lewis. No."
That is precisely a team order isn't it? It's not a team order to swap, but it's an order to not swap. I'm agreeing with DC in that it's a defunct rule and this case Ferrari not punished. But they could rule on bringing the sport into disrepute as a poster suggested earlier on more extreme examples.

But the crowd's boos in these situations always say the most over an FIA penalty and that should be shame enough for the teams.