When will I See...?
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It might be a bit superfluous to start another thread, but I have some things on my mind and I can't think which existing thread is best to air them. So:
When will I next see Fernando Alonso regularly winning races without some cheating involved?
When will I see Sebastian Vettel complete a race without turning his car directly into or towards a fellow competitor?
When will Sebastian Vettel learn that every time he has turned his car into someone he has lost out?
Have all the people who were saying that Sebastian Vettel was a better driver than Lewis Hamilton accepted that they were wrong?
And the last, and most sadly: How do hitherto honourable people like Felipe Massa and Rob Smedley look their families in the eye?
When will I next see Fernando Alonso regularly winning races without some cheating involved?
When will I see Sebastian Vettel complete a race without turning his car directly into or towards a fellow competitor?
When will Sebastian Vettel learn that every time he has turned his car into someone he has lost out?
Have all the people who were saying that Sebastian Vettel was a better driver than Lewis Hamilton accepted that they were wrong?
And the last, and most sadly: How do hitherto honourable people like Felipe Massa and Rob Smedley look their families in the eye?
heebeegeetee said:
It might be a bit superfluous to start another thread, but I have some things on my mind and I can't think which existing thread is best to air them. So:
When will I next see Fernando Alonso regularly winning races without some cheating involved?
When will I see Sebastian Vettel complete a race without turning his car directly into or towards a fellow competitor?
When will Sebastian Vettel learn that every time he has turned his car into someone he has lost out?
Have all the people who were saying that Sebastian Vettel was a better driver than Lewis Hamilton accepted that they were wrong?
And the last, and most sadly: How do hitherto honourable people like Felipe Massa and Rob Smedley look their families in the eye?
Fred is becoming the villain that F1 needs, he has always been out to look after himself, and the wailing and gnashing and toys getting thrown out of the car all adds to this. He is also under huge pressure to come up with the goods for Ferrari, with probably a weaker set up than Schuey had.When will I next see Fernando Alonso regularly winning races without some cheating involved?
When will I see Sebastian Vettel complete a race without turning his car directly into or towards a fellow competitor?
When will Sebastian Vettel learn that every time he has turned his car into someone he has lost out?
Have all the people who were saying that Sebastian Vettel was a better driver than Lewis Hamilton accepted that they were wrong?
And the last, and most sadly: How do hitherto honourable people like Felipe Massa and Rob Smedley look their families in the eye?
Agree that Vettel is a one trick pony, always trying to steer into the guy across the grid, the thing is that people know he wont carry it out fully, and it is costing him race positions, but he seems to keep doing it, which is helping the competition.
Maybe Lewis is maturing, playing the % game like Jenson did last year, he does look a more complete driver.
I think Rob Smedley was very honourable by using his radio messages to flag up he was advising Massa under duress, the 'Sorry' alone helped in the 'conviction'.
groomi said:
heebeegeetee said:
And the last, and most sadly: How do hitherto honourable people like Felipe Massa and Rob Smedley look their families in the eye?
With next months pay cheque which they otherwise wouldn't have. Do you seriously think either of them had any choice?heebeegeetee said:
So:
When will I next see Fernando Alonso regularly winning races without some cheating involved?
on that point, to draw a comparison with the only other multiple wdc on the grid. Shcumey has not had a dream comeback, but if he had made the type of mistakes fred has made then we could understand (lunching his engine on the last lap, jump start, stacking it into the barriers in fp3!, turning into competitors etc) as he has been away for a while. Maybe alonso just got lucky in 05&06, maybe it was just the best car and team orders When will I next see Fernando Alonso regularly winning races without some cheating involved?
. Seriously though why didnt he try and overtake massa? He had no problem going in2 the pits in malaysia that time, which was riskier due to the fact it would hav been unexpected, and alonso is a driving god after all? What with all his bishop like hand signals round the average lapRichard-G said:
heebeegeetee said:
So:
When will I next see Fernando Alonso regularly winning races without some cheating involved?
on that point, to draw a comparison with the only other multiple wdc on the grid. Shcumey has not had a dream comeback, but if he had made the type of mistakes fred has made then we could understand (lunching his engine on the last lap, jump start, stacking it into the barriers in fp3!, turning into competitors etc) as he has been away for a while. Maybe alonso just got lucky in 05&06, maybe it was just the best car and team orders When will I next see Fernando Alonso regularly winning races without some cheating involved?
. Seriously though why didnt he try and overtake massa? He had no problem going in2 the pits in malaysia that time, which was riskier due to the fact it would hav been unexpected, and alonso is a driving god after all? What with all his bishop like hand signals round the average lapScuffers said:
Richard-G said:
heebeegeetee said:
So:
When will I next see Fernando Alonso regularly winning races without some cheating involved?
on that point, to draw a comparison with the only other multiple wdc on the grid. Shcumey has not had a dream comeback, but if he had made the type of mistakes fred has made then we could understand (lunching his engine on the last lap, jump start, stacking it into the barriers in fp3!, turning into competitors etc) as he has been away for a while. Maybe alonso just got lucky in 05&06, maybe it was just the best car and team orders When will I next see Fernando Alonso regularly winning races without some cheating involved?
. Seriously though why didnt he try and overtake massa? He had no problem going in2 the pits in malaysia that time, which was riskier due to the fact it would hav been unexpected, and alonso is a driving god after all? What with all his bishop like hand signals round the average laphttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTbASqoqH3Q
Lauda on Alonso and Ferrari:-
"I've never heard a driver talk such bull****," Lauda told the Daily Mail. "He has no character.
"This was the most stupid thing I have ever seen from Ferrari.
"Why did they do it? They did not need to because the Championship is alive for another eight races.
"Why could Massa not have a chance to win, a year since he had the accident that could have cost his life?'
"I've never heard a driver talk such bull****," Lauda told the Daily Mail. "He has no character.
"This was the most stupid thing I have ever seen from Ferrari.
"Why did they do it? They did not need to because the Championship is alive for another eight races.
"Why could Massa not have a chance to win, a year since he had the accident that could have cost his life?'
Wanta996Gotta said:
Lauda on Alonso and Ferrari:-
"Why could Massa not have a chance to win, a year since he had the accident that could have cost his life?'
God bless Lauda - This final line is the killer - shows how little respect Ferrari have for Massa as a driver. If I was Massa I'd have my lawyer all over my contract this morning. Exit clasue - find one. Then Ferrari could shove their drive (with all its caveats) up their ar$e."Why could Massa not have a chance to win, a year since he had the accident that could have cost his life?'
Who seriously would drive for Ferrari alongside Alonso with the current arrangements in place?
FWDRacer said:
Wanta996Gotta said:
Lauda on Alonso and Ferrari:-
"Why could Massa not have a chance to win, a year since he had the accident that could have cost his life?'
God bless Lauda - This final line is the killer - shows how little respect Ferrari have for Massa as a driver. If I was Massa I'd have my lawyer all over my contract this morning. Exit clasue - find one. Then Ferrari could shove their drive (with all its caveats) up their ar$e."Why could Massa not have a chance to win, a year since he had the accident that could have cost his life?'
Who seriously would drive for Ferrari alongside Alonso with the current arrangements in place?
I suspect this will be another case of the team getting the penalty and Al
so being made out the innocent party to it all (as before with the 'arranged' crash being nothing to do with him, and not being a total lieing c**t over Mclaren etc)FWDRacer said:
Wanta996Gotta said:
Lauda on Alonso and Ferrari:-
"Why could Massa not have a chance to win, a year since he had the accident that could have cost his life?'
God bless Lauda - This final line is the killer - shows how little respect Ferrari have for Massa as a driver. If I was Massa I'd have my lawyer all over my contract this morning. Exit clasue - find one. Then Ferrari could shove their drive (with all its caveats) up their ar$e."Why could Massa not have a chance to win, a year since he had the accident that could have cost his life?'
Who seriously would drive for Ferrari alongside Alonso with the current arrangements in place?
They have proved that they do have a Number 1 driver and it is Alonso. How this will play out for the rest of the season between the two drivers will be interesting as Massa is a Yes man and is now known as a Yes man
He now has no credibility whatsoever.
Wanta996Gotta said:
FWDRacer said:
Wanta996Gotta said:
Lauda on Alonso and Ferrari:-
"Why could Massa not have a chance to win, a year since he had the accident that could have cost his life?'
God bless Lauda - This final line is the killer - shows how little respect Ferrari have for Massa as a driver. If I was Massa I'd have my lawyer all over my contract this morning. Exit clasue - find one. Then Ferrari could shove their drive (with all its caveats) up their ar$e."Why could Massa not have a chance to win, a year since he had the accident that could have cost his life?'
Who seriously would drive for Ferrari alongside Alonso with the current arrangements in place?
They have proved that they do have a Number 1 driver and it is Alonso. How this will play out for the rest of the season between the two drivers will be interesting as Massa is a Yes man and is now known as a Yes man
He now has no credibility whatsoever.
KaraK said:
Wanta996Gotta said:
FWDRacer said:
Wanta996Gotta said:
Lauda on Alonso and Ferrari:-
"Why could Massa not have a chance to win, a year since he had the accident that could have cost his life?'
God bless Lauda - This final line is the killer - shows how little respect Ferrari have for Massa as a driver. If I was Massa I'd have my lawyer all over my contract this morning. Exit clasue - find one. Then Ferrari could shove their drive (with all its caveats) up their ar$e."Why could Massa not have a chance to win, a year since he had the accident that could have cost his life?'
Who seriously would drive for Ferrari alongside Alonso with the current arrangements in place?
They have proved that they do have a Number 1 driver and it is Alonso. How this will play out for the rest of the season between the two drivers will be interesting as Massa is a Yes man and is now known as a Yes man
He now has no credibility whatsoever.
Wanta996Gotta said:
FWDRacer said:
Wanta996Gotta said:
Lauda on Alonso and Ferrari:-
"Why could Massa not have a chance to win, a year since he had the accident that could have cost his life?'
God bless Lauda - This final line is the killer - shows how little respect Ferrari have for Massa as a driver. If I was Massa I'd have my lawyer all over my contract this morning. Exit clasue - find one. Then Ferrari could shove their drive (with all its caveats) up their ar$e."Why could Massa not have a chance to win, a year since he had the accident that could have cost his life?'
Who seriously would drive for Ferrari alongside Alonso with the current arrangements in place?
They have proved that they do have a Number 1 driver and it is Alonso. How this will play out for the rest of the season between the two drivers will be interesting as Massa is a Yes man and is now known as a Yes man
He now has no credibility whatsoever.
Surely a future team is going to look more favourably on a driver that does what is best for the team rather than look out for number one.
To be honest, the 'orders' part you come to accept from Ferrari. What annoyed me particularly was Alonso's comments of 'this is ridiculous' over the radio literally seconds after he parked his car within a couple of seconds of Massa
It was petulant and disrespectful, particularly considering the size of the 'gift' he was expecting to, and finally did, receive from Massa
It was petulant and disrespectful, particularly considering the size of the 'gift' he was expecting to, and finally did, receive from Massa
Puddenchucker said:
Ponk said:
Surely a future team is going to look more favourably on a driver that does what is best for the team rather than look out for number one.
That probably depends upon whether they're looking for a number 1 or number 2 driver.He's made it difficult for the team but not overtly dropped them in it by saying they made me let him pass.
Whilst doing that he's not ruined his relationship with the team for the sake of making a point. Although no dobut he will be looking for a new drive next year and a way out of his contract.
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