Lufthansa Plane Crash
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PPRUNE has this:
"Lufthansa MD-11 crash landed at RUH, aircraft caught fire and split-ed in 2 half, crew reported to be safe.
Could be LH8460 from FRA which was scheduled at 0920L . It was then meant to go on to SHJ at 1050L and then further on to HKG. If all that is correct then according to Acars that would make it D-ALCQ.
ACARS mode: 1 Aircraft reg: D-ALCQ [McDonnell Douglas MD11]
Message label: ** Block id: @ Msg no: 6e4f
Flight id: LH8460 [FRA-RUH-SHJ-HKG] [Lufthansa]
Message content:-
SBS-1 Callsign: GEC8460"
"Lufthansa MD-11 crash landed at RUH, aircraft caught fire and split-ed in 2 half, crew reported to be safe.
Could be LH8460 from FRA which was scheduled at 0920L . It was then meant to go on to SHJ at 1050L and then further on to HKG. If all that is correct then according to Acars that would make it D-ALCQ.
ACARS mode: 1 Aircraft reg: D-ALCQ [McDonnell Douglas MD11]
Message label: ** Block id: @ Msg no: 6e4f
Flight id: LH8460 [FRA-RUH-SHJ-HKG] [Lufthansa]
Message content:-
SBS-1 Callsign: GEC8460"
thatone1967 said:
Eric Mc said:
Hmm - MD-11s don't like landing much, do they?
I'd rather fly in an MD11 than a DC10... I did once to Houston and was crapping myself the whole flight!!There have been a number of incidences where a heavy landing has produced an uncontrolled bounce, followed by a rollover and complete destruction of the aircraft.
I wonder was this similar.
linky here...
think they will be selling this one for spares!
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE66Q10Z201007...
think they will be selling this one for spares!
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE66Q10Z201007...
thatone1967 said:
Mastiff said:
Ayahuasca said:
Good old DC-10/MD-11 (much the same thing) living down to its reputaion.
Here's one they made earlier:
I'm assuming that did not end well...Here's one they made earlier:
Edited by Ayahuasca on Tuesday 27th July 13:35
Eric Mc said:
Mastiff said:
Ayahuasca said:
Good old DC-10/MD-11 (much the same thing) living down to its reputaion.
Here's one they made earlier:
I'm assuming that did not end well...Here's one they made earlier:
The DC-10 was rotating at the time and the pilot had no choice but to take off and try to go around, unfortunately the aircraft was virtually impossible to fly due to hydraulic loss and damage to the flying and control surfaces.
Its actually a very safe aircraft when properly operated and maintained. The only passenger MD 11 that ever crashed was the result of the air carrier installing an in flight entertainment system that caught fire.
Here is the history of incidents with the plane -
China Eastern Flight 583, a MD-11 went into severe oscillations on April 6, 1993 when a crew member accidentally deployed the slats during cruise flight over the Pacific Ocean near the Aleutian Islands. Two passengers ultimately died.
FedEx Flight 14, MD-11 N611FE, crashed during a landing at Newark Liberty International Airport, New Jersey on July 31, 1997. The aircraft flipped onto its back and subsequently burned, following a landing attempt from an unstabilized flare.
Swissair Flight 111, HB-IWF, crashed into the Atlantic Ocean on September 2, 1998 while en route from New York City to Geneva, Switzerland. All 229 people on board perished. The cause of the crash was determined to be a fire caused by improper wiring of Swissair-added passenger entertainment system units. The fire started at the front of the aircraft and quickly grew uncontrollable, attributed partly to the poor flame retardant properties of its metalized mylar insulation.
Korean Air, MD-11 HL7373, crashed shortly after take off April 15, 1999 while operating cargo flight KE6316 from Shanghai Hongqiao International Airport to Seoul. After take off, the first officer contacted Shanghai Departure, which cleared the flight to climb to 1500 meters (4900 ft): "Korean Air six three one six now turn left direct to November Hotel Whiskey climb and maintain one thousand five hundred meters." When the aircraft climbed to 4,500 feet (1,400 m) in the corridor, the captain, after receiving two wrong affirmative answers from the first officer that the required altitude should be 1,500 ft (457 m), thought that the aircraft was 3,000 ft (914 m) too high. The captain then pushed the control column abruptly and roughly forward causing the MD-11 to enter a rapid descent. Both crew members tried to recover from the dive, but were unable.
China Airlines Flight 642, a MD-11, crashed August 22, 1999 while landing at Hong Kong airport during a typhoon (A typhoon? WTF???) that exceeded the plane's crosswind specifications, also flipping onto its back and burning. Three passengers were killed.
FedEx Express Flight 87, MD-11 N581FE, was written off after landing at Subic Bay International Airport, Philippines on October 17, 1999. The aircraft was operating from Shanghai Hongqiao International Airport. Upon landing, the aircraft rolled down the whole length of the runway before plunging into the bay where it was completely submerged except for the cockpit. An excessive approach and landing speed was pointed out as probable cause of the accident.
FedEx Express Flight 80, N526FE, crashed at Narita International Airport, Japan on March 23, 2009 while landing in windy conditions. Airport surveillance video showed the aircraft becoming airborne again after the first touch-down, then impacting nose-first the second time and turning onto its left side, erupting into flames; the impact flipped the aircraft upside down. The aircraft finally came to rest some distance left of the runway. The two flight crew members were killed.
On November 28, 2009, an Avient Aviation MD-11F, registration Z-BAV (c/n 48408), crashed on take-off from Shanghai Pudong International Airport on a flight to Bishkek-Manas International Airport, Kyrgyzstan with the loss of 3 lives.[42] The aircraft was written-off.
On July 27, 2010 a Lufthansa Cargo flight 8460, a MD-11, crash landed in Riyadh, Saudi-Arabia. The two pilots are reported to have survived.
Here is the history of incidents with the plane -
China Eastern Flight 583, a MD-11 went into severe oscillations on April 6, 1993 when a crew member accidentally deployed the slats during cruise flight over the Pacific Ocean near the Aleutian Islands. Two passengers ultimately died.
FedEx Flight 14, MD-11 N611FE, crashed during a landing at Newark Liberty International Airport, New Jersey on July 31, 1997. The aircraft flipped onto its back and subsequently burned, following a landing attempt from an unstabilized flare.
Swissair Flight 111, HB-IWF, crashed into the Atlantic Ocean on September 2, 1998 while en route from New York City to Geneva, Switzerland. All 229 people on board perished. The cause of the crash was determined to be a fire caused by improper wiring of Swissair-added passenger entertainment system units. The fire started at the front of the aircraft and quickly grew uncontrollable, attributed partly to the poor flame retardant properties of its metalized mylar insulation.
Korean Air, MD-11 HL7373, crashed shortly after take off April 15, 1999 while operating cargo flight KE6316 from Shanghai Hongqiao International Airport to Seoul. After take off, the first officer contacted Shanghai Departure, which cleared the flight to climb to 1500 meters (4900 ft): "Korean Air six three one six now turn left direct to November Hotel Whiskey climb and maintain one thousand five hundred meters." When the aircraft climbed to 4,500 feet (1,400 m) in the corridor, the captain, after receiving two wrong affirmative answers from the first officer that the required altitude should be 1,500 ft (457 m), thought that the aircraft was 3,000 ft (914 m) too high. The captain then pushed the control column abruptly and roughly forward causing the MD-11 to enter a rapid descent. Both crew members tried to recover from the dive, but were unable.
China Airlines Flight 642, a MD-11, crashed August 22, 1999 while landing at Hong Kong airport during a typhoon (A typhoon? WTF???) that exceeded the plane's crosswind specifications, also flipping onto its back and burning. Three passengers were killed.
FedEx Express Flight 87, MD-11 N581FE, was written off after landing at Subic Bay International Airport, Philippines on October 17, 1999. The aircraft was operating from Shanghai Hongqiao International Airport. Upon landing, the aircraft rolled down the whole length of the runway before plunging into the bay where it was completely submerged except for the cockpit. An excessive approach and landing speed was pointed out as probable cause of the accident.
FedEx Express Flight 80, N526FE, crashed at Narita International Airport, Japan on March 23, 2009 while landing in windy conditions. Airport surveillance video showed the aircraft becoming airborne again after the first touch-down, then impacting nose-first the second time and turning onto its left side, erupting into flames; the impact flipped the aircraft upside down. The aircraft finally came to rest some distance left of the runway. The two flight crew members were killed.
On November 28, 2009, an Avient Aviation MD-11F, registration Z-BAV (c/n 48408), crashed on take-off from Shanghai Pudong International Airport on a flight to Bishkek-Manas International Airport, Kyrgyzstan with the loss of 3 lives.[42] The aircraft was written-off.
On July 27, 2010 a Lufthansa Cargo flight 8460, a MD-11, crash landed in Riyadh, Saudi-Arabia. The two pilots are reported to have survived.
ccr32 said:
Joecooool said:
Stuff from Wikipedia
They do seem to have a nasty habit of flipping and burning though, don't they...High CofG due to the third engine causing inheriant unstability in sketchy landing conditions maybe?? Does seem like if they bounce, you're f
ked.It would be interesting to se if the latest accident is of a similar type.
ccr32 said:
Joecooool said:
Stuff from Wikipedia
They do seem to have a nasty habit of flipping and burning though, don't they...High CofG due to the third engine causing inheriant unstability in sketchy landing conditions maybe?? Does seem like if they bounce, you're f
ked.As a pilot and air traffic controller, I'd classify that more to pilot error.
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