do we need lights at the front
do we need lights at the front
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tbdgriff500

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1,647 posts

232 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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i know i asked this before but being stupid i can't remember the answer!
before i scan fleabay someone please let me know
cheers
tim.

Graham

16,381 posts

313 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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YES. you need some sort of head light / spot light at the front.

Keithyboy

1,940 posts

299 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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Graham said:
YES. you need some sort of head light / spot light at the front.
G

Just been through the Blue Book (like you do!) for lighting -

“J Competitors Vehicles
Electrical Systems
5.14.1. Have any wet batteries in driver/passenger
compartment enclosed in a securely located leak-proof
container.
5.14.2. Have batteries duly protected to exclude
leakage of acid and to protect terminals from short
circuiting and producing sparks.
5.14.3. With the exception of racing cars be equipped
with battery, generator, self-starter, side, tail, and brake
lights. All this equipment to be in normal working order.
Exceptionally when taking part in an event held totally
off the public highway, need not comply with DfT
Statutory Requirements regarding lighting or horn.
5.14.4. With the exception of racing cars, or cars of
periods A to C, have headlights in normal working
order with glasses of minimum 182.5 sq cm each
unless SRs permit their removal.

Single Seater Racing Car
(a) Unless period defined, the construction of the
vehicle must be symmetrical, i.e. when the vehicle is
lifted laterally and weighed without the Driver, the half
weight on either side must be equal to half the overall
weight ±5%.
(b) It must be possible to enter or leave the Driver’s
seat without it being necessary to remove or detach
any part of the vehicle, other than the steering wheel
or seat belts/harness.
(c) The Driver, sitting in the driving position, must face
forward.

A-C are pre 1931 built vehicles.

Competitors Safety K
Warning Light
5.1. A rearward facing red warning light of a minimum
of 21 watts, with surface area minimum 20cm2,
maximum 40cm2, or of 21 watts with a surface area
minimum of 50cm2 and with lens and reflector to EU
Standards, must be located within 10cm of the centre
line of the vehicle and be clearly visible from the rear.
Vehicles fitted with full width bodywork may
alternatively use two lights equally located about the
vehicle centre line. An alternative light unit of equal or
enhanced constant luminosity or LED lights that are
either homologated by the FIA or comply with relevant
EU Regulations may be used.
5.2. The warning light must be switched on when
visibility conditions are reduced, or as detailed within
championship and/or event regulations, or when so
instructed by the Clerk of the Course.


Blue Book:
http://www.msauk.org/site/cms/contentviewarticle.a...



I read this so if it's a circuit (off road event) they're not then required. Headlights of the prescribed type are not required if the series regs permit removal? Whaddya think? winkbiggrin



Edited by Keithyboy on Tuesday 27th July 16:39

tbdgriff500

Original Poster:

1,647 posts

232 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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i thought several of the tuscans ran without front lights including yours keith.and possibly gary lancs. but don't want to not race because of this!

Keithyboy

1,940 posts

299 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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tbdgriff500 said:
i thought several of the tuscans ran without front lights including yours keith.and possibly gary lancs. but don't want to not race because of this!
Think you can add Deano's too. Not sure about Hugh's or Jamie's.

HUI

1,025 posts

277 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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Keithyboy said:
tbdgriff500 said:
i thought several of the tuscans ran without front lights including yours keith.and possibly gary lancs. but don't want to not race because of this!
Think you can add Deano's too. Not sure about Hugh's or Jamie's.
I know a lot of the Tuscans have run without front lights in the past as they are often not checked at scrutineering. I was pulled up on this a couple of years ago and I have run front lights ever since.

Graham

16,381 posts

313 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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Last year we almost didnt make a race because we popped a headlight bulb and they wouldnt give us a scruit ticket until we found another bulb..

They often dont check them, but if it looks like rain, they tend to check!!!

tbdgriff500

Original Poster:

1,647 posts

232 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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cheers guys
will get some sorted, have seen some blue spots that fit would they be ok ?

Guillotine

5,516 posts

293 months

Wednesday 28th July 2010
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They've always checked mine Tim

fronts
brake
rear
fog

Neil_S

95 posts

272 months

Wednesday 28th July 2010
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I seem to recall from other championships that you don’t actually need fronts but if they are fitted then they must work. I.e. you can’t turn up with a blown bulb and argue that you don’t need them anyway..

teamHOLDENracing

5,105 posts

296 months

Wednesday 28th July 2010
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The TC regs do stipulate that lights must be fitted and working. A scrutineer could, quite legitimately, fail your car for not having front lights. Aside from the potential safety benefits of having marker lights in poor visibility (particulary if you have one of the quicker cars), it would be a daft thing to fail scrutineering for, given how easy it is to comply with the regs

profstoff

1,272 posts

256 months

Wednesday 28th July 2010
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tbdgriff500 said:
cheers guys
will get some sorted, have seen some blue spots that fit would they be ok ?
Tim, I think any of the old 7" round headlights as fitted to the mini will fit the S bonnet. Loads on ebay.

Graham

16,381 posts

313 months

Wednesday 28th July 2010
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Set of spots in the grill somewhere will do.. They were a consumable item on the taz !!! on the Tuscan I've got a small set of spots where the indicators were. behind the covers.

Although If im honest I went a bit too dark tinting the covers..

tbdgriff500

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1,647 posts

232 months

Wednesday 28th July 2010
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i can't put lights in the normal holes on the s body as that's where i am now getting my air!! also the lower holes are for venting the brakes so its rectangular spots in the indicator holes, found some last time but struggling now apart from some very chavvy ice blue specials but hey they will probably suit my driving style lateley!!

Graham

16,381 posts

313 months

Thursday 29th July 2010
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From the 2010 tvr challenge regs...

5.10 Electrics all classes
5.10.1 Exterior Lighting
Class A.B.C The TVR’s are equipped with headlights brake lights, taillights and indicators & high density rear
light. ALL Lights must WORK
All lighting must be operational at all times on all classes.

TVRleigh_BBWR

6,553 posts

242 months

Thursday 29th July 2010
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Has anyone got working indicators yikes

Graham

16,381 posts

313 months

Thursday 29th July 2010
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TVRleigh_BBWR said:
Has anyone got working indicators yikes
only at the back !!! I think thats a left over from the Tuscan Challenge regs hehe

450Nick

4,027 posts

241 months

Thursday 29th July 2010
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TVRleigh_BBWR said:
Has anyone got working indicators yikes
Me!

wedgefettler

63 posts

244 months

Thursday 29th July 2010
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I think that you will find that Gazza's no.44 does have working headlights,
under its purple headlight covers. If we need lights, we just put the clear lens covers back on,

JK

teamHOLDENracing

5,105 posts

296 months

Thursday 29th July 2010
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TVRleigh_BBWR said:
Has anyone got working indicators yikes
Yep. Indicators front and rear. Headlights with low and full beam, with a flasher button on the steering wheel, side lights, brake lights, rain lights, Israelites, Fanny by the gas lights

(sorry, couldn't resist the 'Lock Stock' reference)

Have never been asked to demonstrate working indicators though