anyone want a Taimar Turbo ?
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Just came across this on that popular auction site.......
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TVR-Taimar-Turbo-/2606454523...
near to me if you want someone to go and look at specific things , I'm no expert but have a taimar in bits in my garage so may know what to look at if You tell me.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TVR-Taimar-Turbo-/2606454523...
near to me if you want someone to go and look at specific things , I'm no expert but have a taimar in bits in my garage so may know what to look at if You tell me.
Hi
Well Martin Lilley has twice spoken to me about the car, and yes it was an original Turbo car, but the owner a Dr Lang, decided that after a lot of problems with the carb leaking to have the system changed to a Janspeed system were the carb is not enclosed!
So it a Taimar Turbo which has been uprated!
Andy
Well Martin Lilley has twice spoken to me about the car, and yes it was an original Turbo car, but the owner a Dr Lang, decided that after a lot of problems with the carb leaking to have the system changed to a Janspeed system were the carb is not enclosed!
So it a Taimar Turbo which has been uprated!
Andy
Adrian
Yes you should no better!
The only reason why it didnt run was the owner died and his wife keeped it locked up in her garage for some time, then it's been in the hands of people who didnt spend time in sorting it! I have at least got it running, as was seen at the pre 80's event
O! I forgot you weren't there?
As I am now running out of time due to having four other TVR's I feel it should now go to somebody else, who may finish what I have started!
Andy
Yes you should no better!
The only reason why it didnt run was the owner died and his wife keeped it locked up in her garage for some time, then it's been in the hands of people who didnt spend time in sorting it! I have at least got it running, as was seen at the pre 80's event
O! I forgot you weren't there?
As I am now running out of time due to having four other TVR's I feel it should now go to somebody else, who may finish what I have started!
Andy
I know the history and tried several times to get the car into the right hands with the last 3 owners, yourself included there only 3 months ago....it is most likely that prospective or new owners will touch base with me on converting back to OE, I hope the reserve sort of matches the value that I attach to the component price to do that, with associated parts to get it to be a usable toy.
Pre 80's this year...I remember, I sat with my dad, it was fathers day, he had been in hospital all week and lost half his voice box ...88 now and he's had a good, NO a great life....he raced Sunbeams and Bugatti's for Kaye Don when he was younger ...sat there and I saw the Getti images of him ....it took him 87 and a 1/2 years to let me on to that one! I like this one even better..at 12, being picked up at the local hospital in a Rolls and the whole hospital turning out, NOT to see the RR BUT to see A CAR!
Good luck with the sale.
Adrian@
Pre 80's this year...I remember, I sat with my dad, it was fathers day, he had been in hospital all week and lost half his voice box ...88 now and he's had a good, NO a great life....he raced Sunbeams and Bugatti's for Kaye Don when he was younger ...sat there and I saw the Getti images of him ....it took him 87 and a 1/2 years to let me on to that one! I like this one even better..at 12, being picked up at the local hospital in a Rolls and the whole hospital turning out, NOT to see the RR BUT to see A CAR!
Good luck with the sale.
Adrian@
Edited by Adrian@ on Wednesday 4th August 21:56
No argument here Geoff, Andy is a TVR enthusiast, with a car that in it's day was truly under developed, that the then owner passed on to be retro fitted with a non standard system which because of this reflects down on the price of the car....nothing here that Andy does not know... over the years LOTS of prospective owners have asked me for reassurance over the viability of parts for this particular version of turbo system and as a one off 3.0 version of the car the answer is NO...convert it back to TVR spec. and the answer is 100% yes, every part available and upgrades right up to 300 plus BHP.
As I said, good luck with the sale.
As for my dad...well the old beggar will most likely out live me (it didn't feel like that on fathers day) and the incentive of getting ALL the pension money back from what he paid in keeps him going!
Adrian@
As I said, good luck with the sale.
As for my dad...well the old beggar will most likely out live me (it didn't feel like that on fathers day) and the incentive of getting ALL the pension money back from what he paid in keeps him going!
Adrian@
Geoff
Again NO augument here, except Adrian keeps saying it was a sub standard system why. If the carb leaks which is not unusal you can see it. Which you can't do on the TVR system without taking things apart, so I think that's a step forward! It's a Taimar Turbo and that's that! The differance in the system should not make a differance in the price in fact it's rare. He also claims bits are not avaliable. No they are! the only differance is the exhust and plunum, which fits on the carb and that has no working parts. The exhust has been coverted to a single pipe at the rear. The rest is TVR.
Andy
Again NO augument here, except Adrian keeps saying it was a sub standard system why. If the carb leaks which is not unusal you can see it. Which you can't do on the TVR system without taking things apart, so I think that's a step forward! It's a Taimar Turbo and that's that! The differance in the system should not make a differance in the price in fact it's rare. He also claims bits are not avaliable. No they are! the only differance is the exhust and plunum, which fits on the carb and that has no working parts. The exhust has been coverted to a single pipe at the rear. The rest is TVR.
Andy
Edited by Mr Tank on Thursday 5th August 17:36
Mr Tank said:
Adrian keeps saying it was a sub standard system why.
Andy, if you force air through a carb which is (as almost all are) designed for operating in ambient pressure conditions, you change the relationship of air pressures between inside and outside the carb. If you look at the way some of the air passages are laid out you'll quickly realize that carbs are often designed to work through subtle pressure differentials between interior and exterior. Boxing the carb helps to re-establish those conditions. Make sure you have good floats though. If they're old and corroded or just flimsy, they'll fail (crush) with enough boost.
B.
Andy, at no point have I said it is sub standard...it is however non standard and I have had 2 calls today to ask what the costs are to put this back to OE spec. THIS has been an issue long before you owned it and has been the first question asked by many people and MY advice to them is that this HAS to be reflected in the purchase price. THAT the car failed to run for the 20 years is fact and the non standard system is fact AND the cost of taking a standard TVR turbo from 1990 to 2110 spec. WITH all the right bits is daunting.
I want nothing more than seeing EVERY TVR turbo out there running full tilt.
Adrian@
I want nothing more than seeing EVERY TVR turbo out there running full tilt.
Adrian@
Edited by Adrian@ on Thursday 5th August 18:29
[quote=Adrian@ THAT the car failed to run for the 20 years is fact
1. So how is this fact deduced?
2. When you uprate eg the brakes on the cars you restore, should we deduct the value of putting the car back to "original" from the selling price?
3. Come on Adrian, any car you havent touched is always described as "a shed"
1. So how is this fact deduced?
2. When you uprate eg the brakes on the cars you restore, should we deduct the value of putting the car back to "original" from the selling price?
3. Come on Adrian, any car you havent touched is always described as "a shed"
Slow M said:
Mr Tank said:
Adrian keeps saying it was a sub standard system why.
Andy, if you force air through a carb which is (as almost all are) designed for operating in ambient pressure conditions, you change the relationship of air pressures between inside and outside the carb. If you look at the way some of the air passages are laid out you'll quickly realize that carbs are often designed to work through subtle pressure differentials between interior and exterior. Boxing the carb helps to re-establish those conditions. Make sure you have good floats though. If they're old and corroded or just flimsy, they'll fail (crush) with enough boost.
B.
Bit of a fruitless argument developing here boys.
Fact of the matter is that the car will eventually sell for what someone is willing to pay for it! or indeed what the current owner is willing to sell it for.
My own opinion is that it is a car that needs to be restored back to its original configuration. all too many people are more concerned about value than about the car itself which in todays world is very sad.
M turbo's are rare and special. whether it is as good a system as a later janspeed turbo conversion is totally irrelevant.
after looking the car over at Newark my own opinion is that it needs a good £7- £10k spending on it to make it into a nice car.
Is the current owner just looking to sell it for what he paid in order to a fellow enthusiast the opportunity to build it?
The rarity of this car is its Turbo set up. without that present ?? limited market I would guess.
N.
Fact of the matter is that the car will eventually sell for what someone is willing to pay for it! or indeed what the current owner is willing to sell it for.
My own opinion is that it is a car that needs to be restored back to its original configuration. all too many people are more concerned about value than about the car itself which in todays world is very sad.
M turbo's are rare and special. whether it is as good a system as a later janspeed turbo conversion is totally irrelevant.
after looking the car over at Newark my own opinion is that it needs a good £7- £10k spending on it to make it into a nice car.
Is the current owner just looking to sell it for what he paid in order to a fellow enthusiast the opportunity to build it?
The rarity of this car is its Turbo set up. without that present ?? limited market I would guess.
N.
Edited by heightswitch on Thursday 5th August 19:04
pistolar said:
[quote=Adrian@ THAT the car failed to run for the 20 years is fact
1. So how is this fact deduced?
2. When you uprate eg the brakes on the cars you restore, should we deduct the value of putting the car back to "original" from the selling price?
3. Come on Adrian, any car you havent touched is always described as "a shed"
1.I read in the advert...unless you know different. 1. So how is this fact deduced?
2. When you uprate eg the brakes on the cars you restore, should we deduct the value of putting the car back to "original" from the selling price?
3. Come on Adrian, any car you havent touched is always described as "a shed"
2.That is a consideration offered to the customer..that the old parts be retained for just that.
3.You do not know me that well...ALL the cars touched by me ARE called SHEDS (noted by the colour first) it has been the standard here since Russ Hughes coined the phrase for his Tuscan.
Adrian@
Edited by Adrian@ on Thursday 5th August 19:15
heightswitch said:
Bit of a fruitless argument developing here boys.
Neil, Edited by heightswitch on Thursday 5th August 19:04
I don't sense an argument at all...except the coming one relating to value &/vs. originality.
I think this conversation has, at least in part, morphed into a discussion on how to properly turbo w/ a carb. As an answer to a question the car's owner asked it isn't fruitless. In my view, no discussion on technical aspects of these cars should be thought of as fruitless in these pages. Please don't take offense at this. I have little better to do than sit around and type. Dr.'s orders.
Best,
B.
Edited by Slow M on Friday 6th August 00:59
I think that some of the above comments are not helpful to the TVR Enthusiast who is selling the car, and maybe some posters should consider editing their posts.
Virtually any 'Classic TVR' could have large sums of money thrown at it to make it a 'nice' car, however the reality is that with a little TLC many cars can be turned into something that is respectable and can be driven often and enjoyed.
davidy
Virtually any 'Classic TVR' could have large sums of money thrown at it to make it a 'nice' car, however the reality is that with a little TLC many cars can be turned into something that is respectable and can be driven often and enjoyed.
davidy
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