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rich1231 said:
Mark,
As you have modded your car how has it impacted your warranty??
It's a grey area and one that I have researched in some detail.As you have modded your car how has it impacted your warranty??
The official line from BMW UK, having spoken to one of its representatives regarding the Warranty, was that ANY modification to the car which is not a result of a recall or other BMW sanctioned upgrade, will result in the vehicle Warranty being null and void. I challenged him on the issue of fitting different tyres and brake pads however and he seemed to think this was acceptable and wouldn't affect the consumer's rights under the Warranty.
You may laugh at this, but were it a Porsche you owned, you'd find your warranty invalid for the above reasons.
In respect of upgrades or modifications then, BMW's service representative seemed to think that any modification would void the Warranty.
However, I have the current BMW AUC Warranty in front of me and the conditions for what is NOT covered in respect to modifications are as follows:
"Components which have been modified from the manufacturer's specification".
Now fortunately, this is quite explicit and makes quite a clear distinction between COMPONENTS which are not covered and VEHICLES which are not covered due to any modification. Therefore, in terms of the Warranty contract, it would seem that vehicles will still be protected under the Warranty (assuming all other terms have been met) except any components which have been modified. Therefore it's realistic to expect that you will not be covered if you have a brake failure due to modified brakes, or that you have a leaking strut from modified suspension. Subsequently, under the terms of the Warranty, you WILL still be covered, if say, you have an engine failure where your brakes have been modified.
The danger however, is that BMW UK and its warranty underwriter relies upon the discretion of the individual dealer to determine whether a car has been modified from standard and whether such a modification would impact upon a failed part or parts. It is not uncommon therefore for a dealer to make light of any modifications to the warranty underwriter, who in turn, may decide at it's discretion, that (to use the example above) the additional forces incurred on the engine owing to the modified brakes, has caused the failure due to oil surge and subsequently, you are not covered Sir. The burden of proof then lies with the customer to prove that such a failure was unconnected with the modified brakes, which is both very time consuming and very expensive if you need to get a brief involved.
The moral of the story therefore, is to check with your dealer that they are happy to exclude the MODIFIED parts from the warranty cover, but that any and all other UNMODIFIED parts are still covered.
Daggerpie said:
Chances of that, literally just saw a press release for these E60 M5 Stoptech's in latest Performance BMW mag,great way to blow £2250 considering price of replacement OEM brakes.
I had Stoptechs on my e39 M5, they were great stoppers.
Is that how much they are? sI had Stoptechs on my e39 M5, they were great stoppers.
t, I just had new discs and pads all round and it cost me £1400. I'd have paid the extra if I knew.From what I gather from the porsche forum-u put a tubi on a new 997 and you have no warranty at all. I still call bks on this. If this is the porche std line then so be it but if the mod is nothing to do with the failure then it's simply illegal. I have yet to read a post from an owner who has tested this mentalist and illegal waranty exclusion. I'll qualify that by saying if you believe the porsche forum, even a non stadrad battery invalidates your engine warranty. Sorry, it's bs and lets se some evidence
ks on this. If this is the porche std line then so be it but if the mod is nothing to do with the failure then it's simply illegal. I have yet to read a post from an owner who has tested this mentalist and illegal waranty exclusion. I'll qualify that by saying if you believe the porsche forum, even a non stadrad battery invalidates your engine warranty. Sorry, it's bs and lets se some evidenceEdited by burwoodman on Friday 13th August 09:45
burwoodman said:
From what I gather from the porsche forum-u put a tubi on a new 997 and you have no warranty at all. I still call bks on this. If this is the porche std line then so be it but if the mod is nothing to do with the failure then it's simply illegal. I have yet to read a post from an owner who has tested this mentalist and illegal waranty exclusion. I'll qualify that by saying if you believe the porsche forum, even a non stadrad battery invalidates your engine warranty. Sorry, it's bs and lets se some evidence
My old 996tt was modded and i had no issues with opc dealing with warranty items.ks on this. If this is the porche std line then so be it but if the mod is nothing to do with the failure then it's simply illegal. I have yet to read a post from an owner who has tested this mentalist and illegal waranty exclusion. I'll qualify that by saying if you believe the porsche forum, even a non stadrad battery invalidates your engine warranty. Sorry, it's bs and lets se some evidenceEdited by burwoodman on Friday 13th August 09:45
groucho said:
Daggerpie said:
Chances of that, literally just saw a press release for these E60 M5 Stoptech's in latest Performance BMW mag,great way to blow £2250 considering price of replacement OEM brakes.
I had Stoptechs on my e39 M5, they were great stoppers.
Is that how much they are? sI had Stoptechs on my e39 M5, they were great stoppers.
t, I just had new discs and pads all round and it cost me £1400. I'd have paid the extra if I knew.
Daggerpie said:
Chances of that, literally just saw a press release for these E60 M5 Stoptech's in latest Performance BMW mag,great way to blow £2250 considering price of replacement OEM brakes.
I had Stoptechs on my e39 M5, they were great stoppers.
Yeah thats exactly what I thought until I realised that was for just one end! It's actually double that for all 4 corners! CA are doing them a bit less than that thoughI had Stoptechs on my e39 M5, they were great stoppers.
rich1231 said:
Mark,
I also posted this on m5board.
As you have modded your car how has it impacted your warranty??
Sorry missed it there rich!I also posted this on m5board.
As you have modded your car how has it impacted your warranty??
Well it's getting some work done now as you probably also saw on the M5board! In a nutshell the dealer response is that the brakes are not covered thats it. They explained what the hell have modified bakes got to do with an SMG fault or fuel pump etc? They would have to prove that the big brake kit effected the fuel pump or whatever was wrong in order to not pay out. Let's be honest that ain't gonna happen! BEsides that the dealers want to pass as many warraty claims as they can to keep happy customers. Mine have been great at some of things they put through. Bare in mind mine has full headers and exhaust system and much more still no problems with claims. I've posted many times how great the BMW warranty is and stick by that.
M5 Mark said:
Daggerpie said:
Chances of that, literally just saw a press release for these E60 M5 Stoptech's in latest Performance BMW mag,great way to blow £2250 considering price of replacement OEM brakes.
I had Stoptechs on my e39 M5, they were great stoppers.
Yeah thats exactly what I thought until I realised that was for just one end! It's actually double that for all 4 corners! CA are doing them a bit less than that thoughI had Stoptechs on my e39 M5, they were great stoppers.
rich1231 said:
burwoodman said:
From what I gather from the porsche forum-u put a tubi on a new 997 and you have no warranty at all. I still call bks on this. If this is the porche std line then so be it but if the mod is nothing to do with the failure then it's simply illegal. I have yet to read a post from an owner who has tested this mentalist and illegal waranty exclusion. I'll qualify that by saying if you believe the porsche forum, even a non stadrad battery invalidates your engine warranty. Sorry, it's bs and lets se some evidence
My old 996tt was modded and i had no issues with opc dealing with warranty items.ks on this. If this is the porche std line then so be it but if the mod is nothing to do with the failure then it's simply illegal. I have yet to read a post from an owner who has tested this mentalist and illegal waranty exclusion. I'll qualify that by saying if you believe the porsche forum, even a non stadrad battery invalidates your engine warranty. Sorry, it's bs and lets se some evidenceEdited by burwoodman on Friday 13th August 09:45
Porkie said:
rich1231 said:
burwoodman said:
From what I gather from the porsche forum-u put a tubi on a new 997 and you have no warranty at all. I still call bks on this. If this is the porche std line then so be it but if the mod is nothing to do with the failure then it's simply illegal. I have yet to read a post from an owner who has tested this mentalist and illegal waranty exclusion. I'll qualify that by saying if you believe the porsche forum, even a non stadrad battery invalidates your engine warranty. Sorry, it's bs and lets se some evidence
My old 996tt was modded and i had no issues with opc dealing with warranty items.ks on this. If this is the porche std line then so be it but if the mod is nothing to do with the failure then it's simply illegal. I have yet to read a post from an owner who has tested this mentalist and illegal waranty exclusion. I'll qualify that by saying if you believe the porsche forum, even a non stadrad battery invalidates your engine warranty. Sorry, it's bs and lets se some evidenceEdited by burwoodman on Friday 13th August 09:45
My own M3 which i have owned since just over a year old has been some would say heavily modified year on year , and every time it went into the dealer for serviceing and including warranty work has never caused a problem this was within the 3 year warranty and the extended one to.
The man above has seen the M3 in the metal and knows how modified it is
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The some of the warranty work of the top of my head was in the past while having 20k's worth of mods was , new seat base , new lower arms , new steering rack and oil change of the diff to updated grade and sure there is more , the only things bmw dealer wont touch are the aftermarket parts .
After fitting the new seat base the tech from dealership commented on how well it wnet and how well it stop with ap's all round , that must of been as they were testing the new seat base then
Its way to modified now and dont use the extened warranty as did not use it and cost kept going up , and not much left to be covered any way
Kelly
The man above has seen the M3 in the metal and knows how modified it is
.The some of the warranty work of the top of my head was in the past while having 20k's worth of mods was , new seat base , new lower arms , new steering rack and oil change of the diff to updated grade and sure there is more , the only things bmw dealer wont touch are the aftermarket parts .
After fitting the new seat base the tech from dealership commented on how well it wnet and how well it stop with ap's all round , that must of been as they were testing the new seat base then
Its way to modified now and dont use the extened warranty as did not use it and cost kept going up , and not much left to be covered any way
Kelly
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