RE: Driven: Chevrolet Camaro and Mustang GT500
RE: Driven: Chevrolet Camaro and Mustang GT500
Monday 9th August 2010

Driven: Chevrolet Camaro and Mustang GT500

PH goes for a spin in some Deee-Troit muscle



Big engine, low price, bulging comic-book looks. The recipe for a muscle car has always been a simple one - make it fast, make it cheap-ish, and don't worry too much about sophisticated handling or hi-tech engine trickery.

It's a simple yet appealing formula - the burger-and-fries of performance motoring - and was a spectacular success for US manufacturers in the 1960s and early 1970s. Until 1973 that is, when the oil crisis and emissions controls turned some of the greatest names in American motoring - Camaro, Mustang, Charger, Challenger, GTO - into limp shadows of their former selves.

But muscle cars have made a bit of a resurgence of late, inspired largely by the success of the 2004 Mustang (we'll forget the commercial flop that was the attempt to create a new-era Pontiac GTO based on the Holden Monaro). Now Charger, Challenger, Mustang and Camaro once again duke it out on US streets and in the showroom.

Next year the re-born Camaro (200,000 sales so far and counting) is coming to the UK as an official import in top-spec 426bhp SS guise. So when Chevrolet asked if we wanted to borrow one for the evening, we thought it would be rude to decline. Just to keep the Chevy honest, we also asked Ford if they wouldn't mind us borrowing their 540bhp MY 2010 Shelby Mustang GT500 - king of the current crop of muscle (in performance terms at least) - for a spot of comparison...

Camaro


The Chevrolet Camaro certainly gets the visuals right - both inside and out. On the outside, every bright yellow curve bulges and twists in a way that leaves you in no doubt that this is a powerful car - it just would not be possible to design a car like this and then put a 120bhp 1.6 beneath its bonnet.

The Camaro's huge presence is almost certainly as much to do with its sheer size - and this particular car's Transformers yellow-and-black Bumblebee livery - as it is down to the creases and curves of its actual shape, but there is no denying that the big Chevy is an almost unreal sight on British roads.

The cabin is so often a poorly designed, plasticky let-down in American cars that we weren't expecting a great deal from the Camaro, but the Chevy's cabin is a bit of a revelation. Okay, so the quality of its fit and finish would be disappointing in an Audi or BMW, but the general feel and design of it is spot-on.


The chairs are comfy in that squashy way that only US luxury car seats seem to manage, while all the electrical gismos you could want are present - including a head-up display nabbed from the Corvette. What really sets the Camaro's interior apart, however, is that it carries on the muscle-cum-concept flavour from the exterior. This is a car that reminds you it is special, outlandish and just a little bit ridiculous from the driver's seat without you having to catch a glimpse of it in a shop-front window.

So the Camaro manages a convincing update of the muscle car formula outside and in, and with a 426bhp 6.2-litre LS3 V8 beneath the bonnet it has all the shove you would want of a muscle car. Fortunately, thanks to a chassis that comes from the Holden Commodore - aka the Vauxhall VXR8 - the Camaro handles in a most un-muscle-like way.


Even when it heads over here officially next year the Camaro will come with a US-spec suspension set-up. Officially imported cars will therefore feel, much as this one does, a little softer and less incisive than a VXR8 over a challenging road. You can still tell that the Camaro has a 'proper' chassis underpinning it, though - the MacPherson strut/multi-link suspension endows the Camaro with an innate balance and dynamic sophistication that - as we'll see later - is rather notable by its absence in the Mustang.

Curiously, however, sheer size is much more of an issue for a Camaro than it is in a VXR8 - despite the two sharing broadly similar footprints. But while a VXR8 shrinks around you to a surprising degree, the high waistline and long, bluff bonnet of the Camaro, combined with a low seating position, makes it hard to position the car to avoid low walls, kerbs, gutters and even - it feels like - small children and dogs.

Still, provided you don't live down some narrow lanes - or don't mind picking terrier out of the grille on a regular basis - and fancy a spot of brash US beef, the Camaro has a hell of a lot going for it. The fact that it handles, and is expected to pitch up in Blighty for a reasonable £40k, makes it even more appealing.

Mustang


The Mustang is somewhat more old-fashioned than the Camaro. Despite a pretty epic 540bhp and 510lb ft courtesy of a supercharged 5.4-litre V8 (superseded for the 2011 model year by an all-new motor), it still makes do with a live rear axle.

From those few nuggets of information you may safely infer that the GT500 is a muscle car more of the make-it-fast-in-a-straight-line-and-sod-the-corners variety. Which, provided that's what you're looking for, makes the GT500 very entertaining indeed.

The straight-line performance is certainly impressive, with the big-hearted motor providing a wall of seamless, supercharged acceleration throughout the rev range. The sound is nice, too, a classic V8 grumble overlaid with an insistent - but not intrusive - supercharger scream.


There is a caveat here, though, because the GT500 is only fast when you can get the power down. Which means that as soon as a road gets damp or even too bumpy you can forget flat-chat acceleration. A far less powerful car with a more intelligently suspended chassis would soon leave the Mustang for dead on a bumpy road. There's plenty of grip, but bumps unsettle the car too easily, and the steering is quite vague - finesse is not a word you would associate with the Mustang's dynamic behaviour.

The gearchange is lovely, however; with just the sort of chunky, precise throw that a car as meaty as this should have.

Finesse is also not a word you would associate with the Mustang's interior. The GT500's cabin looks the part, but only if you squint and don't touch anything, because it is appallingly finished by European standards, although the 'Shaker' stereo system does sound good.


But wobbly cabin standards and 'traditional' handling shouldn't matter too much if you buy into the muscle car thing - because the GT500 oozes presence, makes some cracking noises and goes cheek-squashingly quickly in a straight line. But you will have to be prepared to make some sacrifices for your muscle, because by the time you've imported a GT500 into the UK, you'll be looking at around £46k. And that's edging rapidly towards M3 money...

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mrclav

Original Poster:

1,645 posts

252 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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Mustang over the Camaro for me. But both have a a lot of charisma.

Fidgits

17,202 posts

258 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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i want a camaro so much!

Gun

13,432 posts

247 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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Camaro for me I think.

666 SVT

1,052 posts

269 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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Stang for me please.

erolb

506 posts

216 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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When I look at that Camaro, I get the same feeling I used to when I looked at American cars in the early 80's when compared to our home grown dreck, like Marinas and Princesses. Looks superb. I saw a Challenger for the first time in the flesh at weekend, gliding down the road. They look like something out of a film. Usually I couldn't give a toss about Yank muscle.

usmang

28 posts

210 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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It will be an official import so LHD still i take it?

ErnestM

11,621 posts

296 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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Personal opinion (after seeing many of both on the roads).

The Camaro looks good in pictures, but a mess and unimpressive in person. (Looks like somebody sat on it and squished it toward the ground)

The Mustang, in person, (especially the GT500 version) is an event on wheels comparably.

Stew2000

2,776 posts

207 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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The position of the front plate ruined the Camaro. :/
However. the Camaro does look good.
I saw the white one at Farrells Motorsport in Rye. http://www.farrellsmotorsport.com/white%20ss%20cam...
Only downside is the LHD.

--edit--
BTW. If I had a Mustang it would be a Roush.

Edited by Stew2000 on Monday 9th August 14:22

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

219 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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Why is it, that every Brit review of these cars jumps from the 60's to today and "forgets" all the cars between??

I've not driven a GT500, but in the US press the Mustang 2010 onward MY has been beating the Camaro in the handling stakes consistently. This article seems a little out of kilter with them.


Not meaning this as a negative comment. I'm glad you reviewed them, but it would have been nice if a more original approach could have been taken with some of the remarks in the article instead of the mostly inaccurate Brit applied stereotypes.

mrkipling

514 posts

285 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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Shelby here, but I am a bit biased!!

willisit

2,186 posts

260 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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usmang said:
It will be an official import so LHD still i take it?
Yup, LHD only.

Hopefully buying one myself - not fussed on "import/official" but a 2011 model has HUD so that'll be nice :P

AdeTuono

7,626 posts

256 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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swerni said:
I love them both

so much so................. wink
I reckon you'll find that you'll stop using the 'Stang if you keep both. Much as I loved my Roush, the Camaro is in a different league (IMO). Just add Borla's and drop it a couple of inches, same as everyone does with the Ford anyway.

PascalBuyens

2,868 posts

311 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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Camaro for me, as it is on the pics please...

And if possible, in the "Z28" (as in Transformers2) setup would be preferred even more :-)

anonymous-user

83 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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The 2011 Mustang 5.0 GT would have been a better car to compare the Camaro SS with as they are direct competitors. I drove them both back to back last week. The new Mustang is a big improvement on the 2010 version as it now has 400 plus BHP to play with and is a genuine competitor for the Camaro. The Camaro looks sensational from every angle IMO and getting in it feels like a bit of an event. Both cars go like stink and feel similar on the road (I also drove a V6 Camaro and that was also mighty quick). As the article suggested visibility is compromosed in the Camaro but that is something one would quickly get used to. For all it's success the Camaro still turns heads and that is where (IMO) it has a big edge over the Ford. Mustangs are just not special, they are far too ubiquitous and most people could not tell the difference between an 09, 2010 or 2011 model. The third contender, the Challenger, has been killed stone dead by the Camaro and whilst it looked great when it first appeared it now looks odd with that over-tall stance. And the interior is boring.

Now I just have to decide on color...........scratchchin

Kazlet

278 posts

200 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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I would rather have the VXR8.

Stig

11,823 posts

313 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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AdeTuono said:
swerni said:
I love them both

so much so................. wink
I reckon you'll find that you'll stop using the 'Stang if you keep both. Much as I loved my Roush, the Camaro is in a different league (IMO). Just add Borla's and drop it a couple of inches, same as everyone does with the Ford anyway.
....and put it on a massive diet! wink

Riggers

1,859 posts

207 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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unrepentant said:
The 2011 Mustang 5.0 GT would have been a better car to compare the Camaro SS with as they are direct competitors. I drove them both back to back last week. The new Mustang is a big improvement on the 2010 version as it now has 400 plus BHP to play with and is a genuine competitor for the Camaro. The Camaro looks sensational from every angle IMO and getting in it feels like a bit of an event. Both cars go like stink and feel similar on the road (I also drove a V6 Camaro and that was also mighty quick). As the article suggested visibility is compromosed in the Camaro but that is something one would quickly get used to. For all it's success the Camaro still turns heads and that is where (IMO) it has a big edge over the Ford. Mustangs are just not special, they are far too ubiquitous and most people could not tell the difference between an 09, 2010 or 2011 model. The third contender, the Challenger, has been killed stone dead by the Camaro and whilst it looked great when it first appeared it now looks odd with that over-tall stance. And the interior is boring.

Now I just have to decide on color...........scratchchin
Quite right. I should have explained that better in the article, but an MY 2010 GT500 is what Ford GB could lend us, so that's what we got (if someone lends you a 540bhp muscle car for a weekend, it's a bit rude to complain wink)

Trommel

20,630 posts

288 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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300bhp/ton said:
in the US press
There's your problem.

rallyman77

138 posts

196 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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Mustang with fries and chilli sauce please... for the complete hamburger experience :P

poprock

1,987 posts

230 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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A friend of mine chopped in his '08 Mustang (with Roush suspension) against an '09 Camaro in the Bumblebee trim. That says it all, to me.