Who's at Fault??

[Petrolhead_Rich]

Ok, picture the scene, stationary in traffic at a roundabout, car in front moves off, you glance right to check its clear, then look forward to see they have STOPPED just after the line on the roundabout even though the roundabout is clear, you slam on and collide with their vehicle at around 3MPH.

Is it still my fault even though she stopped on the roundabout (after the line) for no reason, and suddenly?

Fairly sure her brake lights were not working either...

Not fking happy, just nicely building up my no claims again after I was hit and they were taken off me.

[Plotloss]

Your fault.

Whatever the reason she stopped, you failed to see there was a car in front of you.

Any damage?

[Chapppers]

Alas it's still your fault, she could have stopped for a number of reasons.

Always move into where you can see it's clear, rather than where you assume it's clear.

Sorry

If it was only 3mph the damage can't be that bad, so get a quote for settling it away from insurance companies.

Edited by Chapppers on Monday 16th August 08:53

[turbolucy]

Your fault.

[Snoop Bagg]

You went into the back of her, simple unfortunately!

[Petrolhead_Rich]

buggar, i thought it would be that.

She has said she will get a quote for not settling, I did a bit of scaremongering about her insurance going up if she claims (mine did when i got hit up the back end) so hopefully wont be too bad, one of these vans with a wheelchair ramp though so not the usual repair job sadly!

Took me 5 minutes to persuade them i actually had insurance!? WTF?

[Petrolhead_Rich]

Plotloss said:

Your fault.

Whatever the reason she stopped, you failed to see there was a car in front of you.

Any damage?

I didnt fail to see that, i saw them set off on a roundabout.

Damage wise ist cracked my numberplate and popped the bumper off, from what i could see its cracked the plastic cover on the wheelchair ramp and possibly the bumper bits at each side.

Suppose if i do go through insurance companies i get a new bumper and numberplate so not all bad!

[Dunclane]

Annoying isn't it! This has nearly happened to me so often that now I look in front of me right up until I know the car in front has gone then look right to see whats coming.

[Chapppers]

So many close calls when I was 17/18 that eventually you end up waiting til they've gone. So many idiots stall or decide the 4 year gap to the next car just isn't big enough for little old them.

It's an easy mistake to make.

[AJI]

Petrolhead_Rich said:

Plotloss said:

Your fault.

Whatever the reason she stopped, you failed to see there was a car in front of you.

Any damage?

I didnt fail to see that, i saw them set off on a roundabout.

Unfortunately you did fail to see the car in front.
I am assuming you didn't drive in to the back of another car on purpose?

It is irrespective of the fact that you saw the car set off; from this situation your correct actions should have been to pull up to the give-way line on the roundabout with your eyes looking ahead...THEN look for a space in traffic once at the give-way line.

[Munter]

No brake lights? Stop for no reason? Roundabout?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-ord...

I'm not sure from what you said that it is that dodgy. But we all need to be on our guard. There's a white saxo driving around Wolves with no brake lights that'll stop for no reason. Not so good at it though as the few people who've mentioned it all stopped before hitting him.

[Petrolhead_Rich]

AJI said:

Petrolhead_Rich said:

Plotloss said:

Your fault.

Whatever the reason she stopped, you failed to see there was a car in front of you.

Any damage?

I didnt fail to see that, i saw them set off on a roundabout.

Unfortunately you did fail to see the car in front.
I am assuming you didn't drive in to the back of another car on purpose?

It is irrespective of the fact that you saw the car set off; from this situation your correct actions should have been to pull up to the give-way line on the roundabout with your eyes looking ahead...THEN look for a space in traffic once at the give-way line.

I was at the give way line, they were ON THE ROUNDABOUT, I saw, i braked, i almost stopped.

Another 3 feet, would have been a horn blast and a gesture for stopping in a stupid place!

[crolandc]

Think this must be the commonest accident in everyday motoring! Trouble is most drivers only learn this (me)the hard way.

[kambites]

Petrolhead_Rich said:

I was at the give way line, they were ON THE ROUNDABOUT, I saw, i braked, i almost stopped.

So not only did you drive into a stationary car, you drove across a give-way line into a stationary car. You're not making this look any better for yourself you know.

It's an easy mistake to make, but it's also clearly 100% the fault of the car behind.

[Petrolhead_Rich]

Munter said:

No brake lights? Stop for no reason? Roundabout?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-ord...

I'm not sure from what you said that it is that dodgy. But we all need to be on our guard. There's a white saxo driving around Wolves with no brake lights that'll stop for no reason. Not so good at it though as the few people who've mentioned it all stopped before hitting him.

That one did cross my mind, especially as when i got to the car they were all clutching their necks, but when i offered to call an ambulance they all went oh no its fine and from there on were looking round and fine.
Given the speed of the impact, no whiplash, heck id be happy just to swap my numberplate!

[Petrolhead_Rich]

kambites said:

So not only did you drive into a stationary car, you drove across a give-way line into a stationary car. You're not making this look any better for yourself you know.

It's an easy mistake to make, but it's also clearly 100% the fault of the car behind.

Normally drive across give way lines, there there to make me give way to traffic from the right, not to stop me, that would be a stop line.

I know its a common accident, ive seen it happen at t-junctions and roundabouts, usually people behind not slowing and expecting the car to move, of which i am careful, but i stopped, they stopped, they moved off, i moved off, they stopped, bang!

[The Wookie]

I very much sympathise, but unless she did it deliberately then it's your fault.

In fact the old man actually argued the toss after a couple got out rubbing their necks in this exact same situation a few years ago and won, but the difficulty is proving it.

[kambites]

Petrolhead_Rich said:

Normally drive across give way lines, there there to make me give way to traffic from the right, not to stop me, that would be a stop line.

No, they're there to make you give way to all traffic on the other side of the line.

[Petrolhead_Rich]

kambites said:

Petrolhead_Rich said:

Normally drive across give way lines, there there to make me give way to traffic from the right, not to stop me, that would be a stop line.

No, they're there to make you give way to all traffic on the other side of the line.

Which on a roundabout, would be to the right, either way no requirement to stop, only to give way.

[kambites]

Petrolhead_Rich said:

Which on a roundabout, would be to the right, either way no requirement to stop, only to give way.

One could argue that driving into another car could be defined as "failing to give way".