RE: Ford Reveals 2012 Mustang Boss 302
Tuesday 17th August 2010
After four decades, one of the most famous Mustang model names has been resurrected - the Boss Mustang - the Boss is back in the form of this, the 2012 Mustang Boss 302.
Sounds quite good to us. The tuning begins with the engine, which gets a new air intake, and revised camshafts and ECU settings to bring power from the new 5.0-litre V8 up by 28bhp to 434bhp, while torque is up to 380 lb ft. The power is transferred to the back wheels courtesy of a close-ratio six-speed gearbox and a beefed-up clutch, while a limited-slip differential helps traction duties (a Torsen LSD is also available as an option).
As well as traditional Boss-style decals, visual tweaks include lightweight 19-inch wheels, an aggressive front splitter and rear spoiler, and a modified grille. Inside, the cabin gets an Alcantara steering wheel, 'metallic' trim, Recaro seats and a new instrument cluster.
And if that isn't hardcore enough for you, Ford is also offering a Mustang Boss 302 Laguna Seca edition, with race-spec suspension, no rear seats, and still-beefier aero upgrades.
Ford Reveals 2012 Mustang Boss 302
The Boss is back - and this time it's after the M3's blood
It's been designed as the fastest point-to-point, track-oriented Mustang ever, and one that Ford says can match or even beat the BMW M3 around California's Laguna Seca Raceway - quite a claim for an American muscle car.
But the new Boss Mustang is more than just a give-it-poke-and-hope affair - Ford says it has created a whole package, as Dave Pericak, Mustang chief engineer explains: "The Boss 302 isn't something a Mustang GT owner can buy all the parts for out of a catalog or that a tuner can get by adding a chip. This is a front-to-back re-engineered Mustang with every system designed to make a good driver great and a great driver even better."
Dynamic upgrades include a beefed-up anti-roll bar, stiffer springs and suspension bushes, and adjustable shock absorbers. There's also an electronic speed-sensitive power steering system, which can be 'switched' between comfort, normal and sport modes.
Perhaps the most interesting addition is a quad exhaust system, two pipes of which exit at the back of the car, and two of which exit from the side - with removable baffles. Sounds good to us (literally, we reckon).
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Discussion
leon9191 said:
Am I missing something here? Ford say you cant just buy the parts to build such a car and that is a re-engineering!
They then go on to list a raft of pretty standard up-graded parts that make up this "Boss", well shucks hoss if am not confused?
Your not alone, exactly what I was thinking!They then go on to list a raft of pretty standard up-graded parts that make up this "Boss", well shucks hoss if am not confused?
nogsk said:
Well, it's certainly a muscle car, but a little bit lardy looking.
Don't know how much they will cost, but for me I'd rather have a Shelby Cobra or a 'cooking' V8 late sixties vintage fastback and drive round looking for Black Chargers to race.
But doesn't that miss the point??Don't know how much they will cost, but for me I'd rather have a Shelby Cobra or a 'cooking' V8 late sixties vintage fastback and drive round looking for Black Chargers to race.
This is a NEW car, not a 60's one. As in you can buy it with delivery mileage on it, have all mod cons and safety. Good heater, ability to use it day in, day out all year round, have a warranty.
Or are you meaning a classic 300SL would be such a better choice than a current AMG?
300bhp/ton said:
nogsk said:
Well, it's certainly a muscle car, but a little bit lardy looking.
Don't know how much they will cost, but for me I'd rather have a Shelby Cobra or a 'cooking' V8 late sixties vintage fastback and drive round looking for Black Chargers to race.
But doesn't that miss the point??Don't know how much they will cost, but for me I'd rather have a Shelby Cobra or a 'cooking' V8 late sixties vintage fastback and drive round looking for Black Chargers to race.
This is a NEW car, not a 60's one. As in you can buy it with delivery mileage on it, have all mod cons and safety. Good heater, ability to use it day in, day out all year round, have a warranty.
Or are you meaning a classic 300SL would be such a better choice than a current AMG?
If you're wanting a new, mod cons motor why buy someone's design take on an old classic, to me a Mustang is epitomised by the 60's era.
The M3 is a somewhat different case as, though it has less of a history, it has been improved whilst staying true to the design ethos of the first version, as I would think the 300sl is a modern version of the first gull wing?
I just really don't 'get' the Mustang and Camaro modern versions, a Sierra Cos is more akin to the process of taking a 'stock' model and making a performance car.
But then again, I am old, withered and low on my medication this morning
nogsk said:
300bhp/ton said:
nogsk said:
Well, it's certainly a muscle car, but a little bit lardy looking.
Don't know how much they will cost, but for me I'd rather have a Shelby Cobra or a 'cooking' V8 late sixties vintage fastback and drive round looking for Black Chargers to race.
But doesn't that miss the point??Don't know how much they will cost, but for me I'd rather have a Shelby Cobra or a 'cooking' V8 late sixties vintage fastback and drive round looking for Black Chargers to race.
This is a NEW car, not a 60's one. As in you can buy it with delivery mileage on it, have all mod cons and safety. Good heater, ability to use it day in, day out all year round, have a warranty.
Or are you meaning a classic 300SL would be such a better choice than a current AMG?
If you're wanting a new, mod cons motor why buy someone's design take on an old classic, to me a Mustang is epitomised by the 60's era.
Sorry, but it's just the kind of tosh one would expect from certain UK motoring magazines and TV shows.
The Mustang has been in continuous production since 1964. So it's not as if it's a rehash just to make a quick buck.
It's evolved over the years. But the ethos has been, take a production platform, add power and make it look good and keep it affordable.
The current Mustang does all of these things.
It's a fast, desirable performance car, smaller and lighter than a full on muscle car and largely shares common components from the rest of the Ford line up.
The Fox body introduced in 79 used a Fairmont platform. This evolved into the SN95, which gained the new 4.6 modular engine as used in Ford trucks and sedans. The s197 used the same engine, gearbox and axles on a new platform, albeit updated. This 2011MY variant is the same platform but with a new engine. So there is direct lineage all the way back.
nogsk said:
The M3 is a somewhat different case as, though it has less of a history, it has been improved whilst staying true to the design ethos of the first version
Eh? How and how is it different to the Mustang?nogsk said:
as I would think the 300sl is a modern version of the first gull wing?
I just really don't 'get' the Mustang and Camaro modern versions, a Sierra Cos is more akin to the process of taking a 'stock' model and making a performance car.
But then again, I am old, withered and low on my medication this morning
If I'm wrong I'll say sorry. But I truly don't understand? How was an original Mustang any different in making a performance car, and what are these new ones doing that is different again? :confused?I just really don't 'get' the Mustang and Camaro modern versions, a Sierra Cos is more akin to the process of taking a 'stock' model and making a performance car.
But then again, I am old, withered and low on my medication this morning
Ha, no offence taken, I am stereotypically British after all.
My point was that in my opinion the Mustang has diminished/regressed since the 60's version whereas the M3 and 300sl have improved.
The 60's Mustangs were special in looks and performance as are both the M3 and the 300sl.
I take your point that the new 'stang is excellently engineered, but look at it! it's fugly !It looks just as bad as that Mach 1 version from the 70's, and don't get me started on those 80's versions.
My point was that in my opinion the Mustang has diminished/regressed since the 60's version whereas the M3 and 300sl have improved.
The 60's Mustangs were special in looks and performance as are both the M3 and the 300sl.
I take your point that the new 'stang is excellently engineered, but look at it! it's fugly !It looks just as bad as that Mach 1 version from the 70's, and don't get me started on those 80's versions.
Come on, somebody mention leaf springs......
I think I would go for the Mustang, even if the M3 is better, its not going to be that much better when you take the price into consideration, the Mustang is just so rare in comparison. Slight assumptions about you possibly being a wearer of cowboy boots aside, image wise its so much cooler and 90 percent of the population dont assume you are a complete C word (rightly or wrongly and not my view by the way, but people do think that, possibly jealousy but I think there is more to it than that), the M3 does have an image issue despite being a superb car, the Mustang just seems less in your face and more innocent.
As for it being a rehash, ok certain design cues (all of them come from the first incarnation, then refined a bit) but the M3 is just a 3 series coupe with some vents, the base car doesnt really change that much in iterations, nice enough but not exactly ground breaking.
I think I would go for the Mustang, even if the M3 is better, its not going to be that much better when you take the price into consideration, the Mustang is just so rare in comparison. Slight assumptions about you possibly being a wearer of cowboy boots aside, image wise its so much cooler and 90 percent of the population dont assume you are a complete C word (rightly or wrongly and not my view by the way, but people do think that, possibly jealousy but I think there is more to it than that), the M3 does have an image issue despite being a superb car, the Mustang just seems less in your face and more innocent.
As for it being a rehash, ok certain design cues (all of them come from the first incarnation, then refined a bit) but the M3 is just a 3 series coupe with some vents, the base car doesnt really change that much in iterations, nice enough but not exactly ground breaking.
Most people on this forum just spout crap and base their judgements on more spouted crap from certain Sunday evening entertainment shows.
I would like to ask all of the posters
1) have you read the tech specs?
2) have you even driven an M3?
3) what qualifies you to pass judgement on a car that is not even available to buy let alone test drive?
I could make this list longer but I think I make my point.
You're far too fast to pass judgement to condemn what could be a fantastic car to an American only market.. *slow claps* Well done..
I would like to ask all of the posters
1) have you read the tech specs?
2) have you even driven an M3?
3) what qualifies you to pass judgement on a car that is not even available to buy let alone test drive?
I could make this list longer but I think I make my point.
You're far too fast to pass judgement to condemn what could be a fantastic car to an American only market.. *slow claps* Well done..
Edited by bakerjuk on Tuesday 17th August 12:18
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