McLaren to remove F-Duct for Monza
McLaren to remove F-Duct for Monza
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Mini1275

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11,098 posts

211 months

Monday 23rd August 2010
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86076

McLaren will remove the F-duct from its car for the first time this season at the Italian Grand Prix, AUTOSPORT has learned, with the low downforce nature of the circuit negating any benefit the system brings.

The Woking-based team was the pioneer of the F-duct at the start of this year, and the design has proved such a success that all its main rivals have copied the idea. Renault will be the latest to introduce it at this weekend's Belgian Grand Prix.

The F-duct helps provides a straightline speed boost by allowing the drivers to stall the rear wing on the straights - and teams can use it for a simple top-speed advantage or to help them run more downforce in the corners without suffering a drag penalty on the straights.

Although Monza has the highest top speeds of the season - so would in theory be perfect for a straightline advantage - the fact the track requires such a low wing set-up actually makes the F-duct redundant because there is not enough drag for it to get rid of.

McLaren's decision to remove its F-duct for the Italian Grand Prix is likely to become standard practice, with all teams instead set to focus on a low-downforce aerodynamic package better suited to the Monza layout.

All teams had been expected to remove the F-duct at the Monaco Grand Prix earlier this year, but McLaren elected to keep it on its car then – saying at the time that there was no alternative.

"F-duct is something which will work better on the long straight than a circuit like this," McLaren team principal Martin Whitmarsh said in Monaco. "It is a standard part of our car. We don't have a non F-duct variety to fit in any case."


Make sense actually.

Aydogflipper

436 posts

195 months

Monday 23rd August 2010
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Fair enough, does make sense

Get Karter

1,950 posts

230 months

Tuesday 24th August 2010
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Interesting. I would have (incorrectly) guessed that the Parabolica would benefit from extra rear wing enough to warrant the adjustability afforded by the F-duct.

Maybe the Parabolica is a slower corner than I imagined.

El Guapo

2,787 posts

219 months

Wednesday 25th August 2010
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I am confused. The point of the F-duct, as I understand it, is to enable a reduction in the effectiveness of the rear wing to gain speed on the straights and/or allow the use of a "bigger" wing than normally optimal. I would have thought that this would be a benefit just about everywhere but particularly at Monza; an extra smidge of wing would be very worthwhile in Lesmo, Curva Grande & Parabolica, surely. confused



Edited to add apology for repeating Get Karter's point

Edited by El Guapo on Wednesday 25th August 00:08

davepoth

29,395 posts

228 months

Wednesday 25th August 2010
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I'm thinking it's a bit of a trade-off - the F-duct probably causes a bit of drag. They'll have run the numbers and the car is faster in a "clean" configuration.

emicen

9,233 posts

247 months

Wednesday 25th August 2010
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Race weekend:
Everyone else: "hey, we thought you werent running with the f-duct"
McLaren: "yeah thats what we wanted you to think"
Everyone else: "but but but"
McLaren: "lol pwned"

Possibly not exact wording hehe

german tony

2,000 posts

237 months

Wednesday 25th August 2010
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Word is that they are to introduce a device on the nose of the cars activated by the higher air pressures involved in using Monza's fast straights. This small, hard to see/find device is connected to a system of rods & levers that will gently prod the driver in the knackers to keep him awake whilst going stright on for long periods of time at Monza & other ciruits with very few twisty bits.

Rumour has that it's name will, following on from the success of the smuttily-named F-Duct, be the "G-Spot".

spend

12,581 posts

280 months

Wednesday 25th August 2010
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I'm guessing Monza is a bit of a mare in other ways, rather than just raw speed, fuel consumption is going to be a real big factor for one?.


FlickingTheVeeS

2,170 posts

200 months

Wednesday 25th August 2010
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Says on Autosport that now they might run it after all!!!!!

Edited by FlickingTheVeeS on Wednesday 25th August 16:44

reedman

588 posts

223 months

Wednesday 25th August 2010
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There not running it as the Italians will steal a car and copy it.rofl

JR

Ceylon

374 posts

201 months

Friday 27th August 2010
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emicen said:
Race weekend:
Everyone else: "hey, we thought you werent running with the f-duct"
McLaren: "yeah thats what we wanted you to think"
Everyone else: "but but but"
McLaren: "lol pwned"

Possibly not exact wording hehe
Much better explanation!