RE: Driven: Saab 9-5
Wednesday 25th August 2010

Driven: Saab 9-5

How does Saab's first new car under Spyker ownership measure up?



The products of Saab’s adoptive parent company Spyker might be more up PistonHeads’ Speed Matters-type street, but Saab’s own products have traditionally held the attention of plenty of petrolheads, too.

In recent times, GM’s ownership of Saab has rather diluted its appeal, with the brand becoming as associated with rehashed Vauxhall hardware as with quirky, original design. It is the new Saab 9-5’s job as the first new Saab to be launched post-GM to help redefine the firm’s brand image – and that’s no small ask.

But the weight on the 9-5’s shoulders is even more burdensome than it might be, because it must soldier on alongside the grey-haired 9-3 as the company’s only remotely new offering until the 9-4X crossover arrives (in the US) in spring next year.


On top of that, the severance from GM has led to the decimation of virtually the entire US dealer network – so Spyker-Saab must effectively start from scratch in its most important market (although no doubt many long-serving Saab dealers will re-sign with the brand).

Saab's situation in Blighty isn't quite so painful - its dealer network has been able to carry on more or less intact while the company has changed ownership. Even so, sales are still pretty much on their knees. Despite the new 9-5 hitting showrooms on 8th July, the UK's 105 Saab dealers only managed to shift 356 new cars - including 9-3s. That's fewer than four cars per dealer in a month and represents just a quarter of a per cent of new registrations. Saab's new age hasn't got off to a flying start, it seems.

So is that the fault of the company's brand image or a lacklustre new product? The 9-5 certainly looks the part, with a glasshouse and tapering roofline that reminds you, if you squint, of the 1980s Saab 900. To these eyes at least, it's an elegant, interesting alternative to the conservative large exec norm.


Inside, the executive car credentials fall apart somewhat. The swoopy dash is familiarly Saab, but there is too much black plastic and, yes, recognisably Vauxhall parts for a car that, in top-spec guise, is almost £38k.

Underneath, the 9-5 is based on a stretched version of the same platform that underpins the Vauxhall Insignia (remember that this car has been launched post-GM, but was developed during GM's tenure at Saab), although the two cars were developed concurrently, rather than Saab getting Vauxhall/Opel leftovers.

In top-spec guise it has to be said that the chassis works quite well. The H-pattern multilink rear suspension and clever 'HiPer Strut' MacPherson-esque front set-up combine with the longer wheelbase to make the big Saab feel composed and controlled through corners and over bumps. Meanwhile, the four-wheel drive helps to quell any torque steer that the 2.8-litre, 296bhp, 295lb ft twin-scroll turbo V6.


But that's the top-spec offering. Depending on how far down the range you have to go, 9-5s have to do without the HiPer Struts, the H-pattern rear suspension or the all-wheel drive. And that, perhaps, is the key. Without the top-end gew-gaws and gadgets, the new 9-5 is a distinctly average offering in a distinguished class.

Saab's New-era saviour? To paraphrase the great Roy Walker - it's good, but it's not the one.

Take a look at the Saab's tech spec and performance data.

   

 

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BILL PAYER

Original Poster:

526 posts

202 months

Wednesday 25th August 2010
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Lets give it time as its been proven in the past Saab can produce a quality product, but at the same time i feel many drivers would rather lean towards German produce when looking for a performance orientated saloon .

The real Apache

39,731 posts

307 months

Wednesday 25th August 2010
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It's a start.....as a fan of the old school turbos I hope they succeed

900T-R

20,406 posts

280 months

Wednesday 25th August 2010
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Must say that indeed there's quite a difference between the base spec diesel and the Aero 2.0T I've piloted along the Trollhättan area last month - the latter one being agile, refined and reasonably entertaining while the former was a bit 'meh'. I can see where both Autocar's two-star verdict and the generally 'four star' reviews in other mags come from; the car is simply that sensitive to spec, and despite some detailed work on the Opel lumps the diesel offerings simply don't cut it sadly. And while I'd give the interior architecture the thumbs up in general, a materials and surfaces upgrade is needed to bring the 'premium' factor in line with the default German choices; I understand such a thing is already on the cards for next year.
From a three quarter front view at least, the looks are spot-on as far as I'm concerned - nice to see a bold, minimalist design in a market that has been gravitating towards random 'character lines' and embellishments to distinguish one car from the other... thumbup

aeropilot

39,707 posts

250 months

Wednesday 25th August 2010
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It's also not a twin-turbo V6 wink


Ollyc

745 posts

192 months

Wednesday 25th August 2010
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I would love to shoe-horn the 'all wheel drive' into mine in a few years time lol. Looks nice but I think a 9-3 would have been a better first car to launch. But I am biased.

Nice looking motor though, think with a bit of tuning would be a more sporty bhp figure. I just hope the engine is a robust as the older ones.

MrTappets

881 posts

214 months

Wednesday 25th August 2010
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What influence, if any, has Spyker had on this design? It sounds like the car was pretty much finished before Spyker even took over.

Negative Creep

25,804 posts

250 months

Wednesday 25th August 2010
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Front certainly has a whiff of the Insignia but overall it looks pretty nice

aeropilot

39,707 posts

250 months

Wednesday 25th August 2010
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MrTappets said:
What influence, if any, has Spyker had on this design? It sounds like the car was pretty much finished before Spyker even took over.
None, as you are correct, car was finished before the sale of Saab was completed.

900T-R

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280 months

Wednesday 25th August 2010
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MrTappets said:
What influence, if any, has Spyker had on this design?
None. If it weren't for GM's shenanigans - we're selling it, no, actually we'll be closing it down, hang on - ah, twist our arms and we'll sell after all - the 9-5 would have appeared in showrooms mid/late '09 (which was a delayed launch date in itself).

agentsmith

412 posts

216 months

Wednesday 25th August 2010
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frankly, IMO they've bitten off more than they can chew here.

this is a breathed on Vauxhall, which with a Vauxhall badge costs considerably less.

aeropilot

39,707 posts

250 months

Wednesday 25th August 2010
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900T-R said:
MrTappets said:
What influence, if any, has Spyker had on this design?
None. If it weren't for GM's shenanigans - we're selling it, no, actually we'll be closing it down, hang on - ah, twist our arms and we'll sell after all - the 9-5 would have appeared in showrooms mid/late '09 (which was a delayed launch date in itself).
Yup, and this is the reason Saab dealers (that have stayed with the brand) are now struggling to sell cars..... GM's pathetic and damaging arsing about and delaying the sale or not has done serious damage to the brand and customers have moved elsewhere.

anonymous-user

77 months

Wednesday 25th August 2010
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This seems like a credible effort! Of course the bottom of the range isnt as good as the top spec model! The 2.0tdi Audi A6 is not as good as the RS6 and the BMW 5 series 2.0d isnt quite as good as an M5!

lets give this car a chance the soon to be released estate version should help sales and the 9-4x crossover cant come soon enough.

Reload

1,530 posts

197 months

Wednesday 25th August 2010
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In my opinion, the media hype surrounding Saab over the past couple of years hasn't done them any favours, and this is showing in the sales figures. As far as Joe Public is concerned "Saab have gone bust". Once they can get the name out there again, and Spyker can prove that what they're up to the job, then I think that sales will start to rise. Albeit slowly. Early days yet.

900T-R

20,406 posts

280 months

Wednesday 25th August 2010
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MonkeyMatt said:
This seems like a credible effort! Of course the bottom of the range isnt as good as the top spec model! The 2.0tdi Audi A6 is not as good as the RS6 and the BMW 5 series 2.0d isnt quite as good as an M5!
Hmmm, 'not as good' for a small niche of rich petrolheads maybe - but these for instance an E-Class 200 CDI or a 520d will do everything 99% of punters would want from such a car. It's here where the 9-5 suffers in comparison (and unfortunately where the gravity of the exec market lies in most European countries) - the petrol turbos are still very good, and the chassis comes alive in the higher-spec version with the posh front struts and rear axle kinematics - provided you've ordered the optional adaptive DriveSense (or something like that) suspension...

Edited by 900T-R on Wednesday 25th August 10:45

anonymous-user

77 months

Wednesday 25th August 2010
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900T-R said:
MonkeyMatt said:
This seems like a credible effort! Of course the bottom of the range isnt as good as the top spec model! The 2.0tdi Audi A6 is not as good as the RS6 and the BMW 5 series 2.0d isnt quite as good as an M5!
Hmmm, 'not as good' for a small niche of rich petrolheads maybe - but these for instance an E-Class 200 CDI or a 520d will do everything 99% of punters would want from such a car.
There is still a large market for people who really dont want a Merc, BMW or more recently an Audi!

rscott

16,965 posts

214 months

Wednesday 25th August 2010
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agentsmith said:
frankly, IMO they've bitten off more than they can chew here.

this is a breathed on Vauxhall, which with a Vauxhall badge costs considerably less.
Er, breathed on Vauxhall? really - point me to the equivalent VX.

I guess that makes your Audi is a breathed on Skoda ?

Papa Hotel

12,760 posts

205 months

Wednesday 25th August 2010
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I hope it works out for them, always liked the slightly left-field streak that SAAB have in a world of bland German stuff.

Edited by Papa Hotel on Wednesday 25th August 10:53

900T-R

20,406 posts

280 months

Wednesday 25th August 2010
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rscott said:
agentsmith said:
frankly, IMO they've bitten off more than they can chew here.

this is a breathed on Vauxhall, which with a Vauxhall badge costs considerably less.
Er, breathed on Vauxhall? really - point me to the equivalent VX.

I guess that makes your Audi is a breathed on Skoda ?
^^^^ This.

900T-R

20,406 posts

280 months

Wednesday 25th August 2010
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MonkeyMatt said:
900T-R said:
MonkeyMatt said:
This seems like a credible effort! Of course the bottom of the range isnt as good as the top spec model! The 2.0tdi Audi A6 is not as good as the RS6 and the BMW 5 series 2.0d isnt quite as good as an M5!
Hmmm, 'not as good' for a small niche of rich petrolheads maybe - but these for instance an E-Class 200 CDI or a 520d will do everything 99% of punters would want from such a car.
There is still a large market for people who really dont want a Merc, BMW or more recently an Audi!
That's why it's such a shame that Saab's base diesel offerings aren't really competitive. Plenty of folks wanting an alternative but the alternative should at least be defendable on a quality/cost basis.

robm3

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250 months

Wednesday 25th August 2010
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Wow, completely different suspension set up on the same model of car. If you think of the cost associated (tooling, spares, additional skus etc..)against the amount produced that's quite a gamble for a low volume producer.