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Question guys. Called the RAC out today, my rear offside wheel was making an awful noise.
Turns out the internal brake drum lining had become detached from the metal band, and had slipped over the rest of the lining causing the wheel to lock (Fortunately I was just pulling away), anway he removed the internal bits and told me that as the foot brake operated the Disc brake system which was fully functioned, was safe to drive, but should get it repaired ASAP.
Question, and I will not hold anyone to ransom over it, as I see it, if the disc brake is working 100%, and the internal bits he removed only come into use when the handbrake is applied, the vehicle should be safe to drive.
I will be putting it in for a service, but may have to waite a while to get it in.
Turns out the internal brake drum lining had become detached from the metal band, and had slipped over the rest of the lining causing the wheel to lock (Fortunately I was just pulling away), anway he removed the internal bits and told me that as the foot brake operated the Disc brake system which was fully functioned, was safe to drive, but should get it repaired ASAP.
Question, and I will not hold anyone to ransom over it, as I see it, if the disc brake is working 100%, and the internal bits he removed only come into use when the handbrake is applied, the vehicle should be safe to drive.
I will be putting it in for a service, but may have to waite a while to get it in.
eldar said:
Removed the internal bits? Hydraulics, you mean. Make sure it has been bodged adequately(!), and don't stop fast.
I'd get it fixed as soon as I could.
Not hydraulics, the handbrake works on a wire and internal springs on the brake shoes, as I said the footbrake operates the caliper braking system on the wheels, and is 100% operational.I'd get it fixed as soon as I could.
I do intend to get it repaired ASAP, but can't get in for 7 - 10 days.
Vipers said:
eldar said:
Removed the internal bits? Hydraulics, you mean. Make sure it has been bodged adequately(!), and don't stop fast.
I'd get it fixed as soon as I could.
Not hydraulics, the handbrake works on a wire and internal springs on the brake shoes, as I said the footbrake operates the caliper braking system on the wheels, and is 100% operational.I'd get it fixed as soon as I could.
I do intend to get it repaired ASAP, but can't get in for 7 - 10 days.
Should be OK, unless you are exceeding unlucky.Vipers said:
Question, and I will not hold anyone to ransom over it, as I see it, if the disc brake is working 100%, and the internal bits he removed only come into use when the handbrake is applied, the vehicle should be safe to drive.
As far as the footbrake goes it will still work 100% as the handbrake mechanism in this case is completely independant. Just needs new shoes to fix the handbrake. The fact that the RAC guy let me go on my merry way, sort of says its safe, but obviously I will be getting it in ASAP as I said.
Interestingly enough, he said they used to rivet the brake linings onto the metal bit, now they glue them on, and when the glue fails, the lining moves around the drum, usually forcing it way ontop of adjacent bit, thus causing the wheel to jam.
Interestingly enough, he said they used to rivet the brake linings onto the metal bit, now they glue them on, and when the glue fails, the lining moves around the drum, usually forcing it way ontop of adjacent bit, thus causing the wheel to jam.
If he worked for me and did that I'd be sticking him on a reprimand. Bodging a brake repair is a major no no. Either replace the components, or recover it to a place of repair. Can you imagine the potential claim, or investigation if it was involved in an accident? You don't remove brake components and send someone on their merry way!
Its fine - on your car the footbrake and handbrake are completely separate systems.
There can not be any loss of footbrake performance from what he has done.
Its just the same as if your handbrake cable had snapped (I've done a good few weeks with no handbrake before now)
You might have to go careful on hill starts though!
There can not be any loss of footbrake performance from what he has done.
Its just the same as if your handbrake cable had snapped (I've done a good few weeks with no handbrake before now)
You might have to go careful on hill starts though!
minky monkey said:
If he worked for me and did that I'd be sticking him on a reprimand. Bodging a brake repair is a major no no. Either replace the components, or recover it to a place of repair. Can you imagine the potential claim, or investigation if it was involved in an accident? You
don't remove brake components
and send someone on their merry
way!
It's just the brake shoe on the parking brake, on one wheel. The brakes will 100% fine otherwise.don't remove brake components
and send someone on their merry
way!
chris1roll said:
Its fine - on your car the footbrake and handbrake are completely separate systems.
There can not be any loss of footbrake performance from what he has done.
Its just the same as if your handbrake cable had snapped (I've done a good few weeks with no handbrake before now)
You might have to go careful on hill starts though!
My sentiments exactly, being auto, hill start is not an issue. As you said, its the same as driving with the handbrake cable failing.There can not be any loss of footbrake performance from what he has done.
Its just the same as if your handbrake cable had snapped (I've done a good few weeks with no handbrake before now)
You might have to go careful on hill starts though!
bazking69 said:
Brakes = get it sorted as a matter of upmost urgency.
Yes, I understand that and will do, but just to reiterate, the handbrakes does not work, the brakes activated by the footbrake are 100% working.But thanks for your input, thank you all for you input, all I can see now is £££, but thats no probs, safety is of paramount.
I did something similar on my old X300 Jag..which has rear discs, and internal shoes for the handbrake. The lining came away from the shoes, didn't alarm me too much as it was 15 years old, and had done 320k...but with the shoe in the wrong place, the retaing spring fell out...the adjuster moved a bit. I had no problem stopping but destroyed all of the adjusting mechanism/springs and scored the inside of the drum.
I was lucky enough to get the new adjusters etc for next to nothing ...but it could have been a very expensive fix. I did all of this damage in one journey btw.
I was lucky enough to get the new adjusters etc for next to nothing ...but it could have been a very expensive fix. I did all of this damage in one journey btw.
minky monkey said:
If he worked for me and did that I'd be sticking him on a reprimand. Bodging a brake repair is a major no no. Either replace the components, or recover it to a place of repair. Can you imagine the potential claim, or investigation if it was involved in an accident? You don't remove brake components and send someone on their merry way!
Whooooops my choice of words, what the onsite report actually said was :-"Removed handbrake shoes assemblie to allow vehicle to be driven straight to a place of permanent repair"
Just thought I would clarify that. But he was a really really nice man as well.
Not a Pug 206 by chance is it?
The Mrs had this problem on both her rear drums, the pad literally falling apart and getting all tangled up. Both times it was lucky she was only driving down the driveway at 5-10mph so could stop the car without too much drama. Would be most concerning if this happened at a higher speed as 1 rear wheel locking could cause you to spin.
dave
The Mrs had this problem on both her rear drums, the pad literally falling apart and getting all tangled up. Both times it was lucky she was only driving down the driveway at 5-10mph so could stop the car without too much drama. Would be most concerning if this happened at a higher speed as 1 rear wheel locking could cause you to spin.
dave
aka_kerrly said:
Not a Pug 206 by chance is it?
The Mrs had this problem on both her rear drums, the pad literally falling apart and getting all tangled up. Both times it was lucky she was only driving down the driveway at 5-10mph so could stop the car without too much drama. Would be most concerning if this happened at a higher speed as 1 rear wheel locking could cause you to spin.
dave
Not a pug, a Volvo S80, yes could have been intersting at speed.The Mrs had this problem on both her rear drums, the pad literally falling apart and getting all tangled up. Both times it was lucky she was only driving down the driveway at 5-10mph so could stop the car without too much drama. Would be most concerning if this happened at a higher speed as 1 rear wheel locking could cause you to spin.
dave
Edited by Vipers on Thursday 26th August 16:50
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