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kojak69

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4,546 posts

271 months

Saturday 27th March 2004
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Took the cerbera out for a run today; first proper run for a few weeks. Enjoyed the blast up the M1.... until I got pulled for my front number plate being too small. I always thought that the boys in blue had relaxed the laws regarding the size of the front plate. Obviously not. I was also advised that my back one was illegal, and this one should be replaced. Why? because it didn't have the number plate makers name on it. Talk about going overboard or what. Ended up getting a fixed penalty. You wonder why ..................I could get carried away, but I will not.

telecat

8,528 posts

259 months

Saturday 27th March 2004
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I see your car was made in 1998. The DVLA only states that plates made after 1st September 2001 should meet the BSI standard. If your rear plate was made before that the BiB got it wrong! See the site below.


www.dvla.gov.uk/vehicles/regmarks/reg_marks_current_requirements.htm

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mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

273 months

Saturday 27th March 2004
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Fight it, kojak

Funny about SY police not knowing the rules.

I must have been very convincing with one....he eventually got down on his hands and knees and gave me some irrelevant excuse that I was right and he was wrong because of a number on an aux light.

Wrong reason.......!

kojak69

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4,546 posts

271 months

Saturday 27th March 2004
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The police are not making me change the back plate, but that did say that, if another patrol car/policeman wanted to be awkward, and really go to the extreme, they could 'do' me.
As i'm a law abiding citizen, i'll change both. Back one starting to look tatty anyway.

telecat

8,528 posts

259 months

Saturday 27th March 2004
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As I said if the back plate was made before 09/2001 forget it he's playing with you. As a matter of interest althought the BSI standard requires the Location of the supplier of the plate their appears to be no penalty for using Non BS plates on the DVLA web site. I love the "Local" identity idea. Works a treat My wifes car has a Newcastle plate. It won't be leaving Leeds much. Its a stupid idea as most cars move around the country and "live" away from the original registration area. Not much use for the BiB to monitor vehicle movement as it was mooted.

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whatever

2,174 posts

288 months

Saturday 27th March 2004
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I never got any grief when I had the small plate on the front of the cerb. Did fail the MOT, though...

They're taking the mick over the rear one, mind.

Boosted LS1

21,200 posts

278 months

Saturday 27th March 2004
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Better to have the correct size on the front and make it dirty then the letters may be a bit fuzzy and lack sharp edges. Kids, bless them!

kojak69

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4,546 posts

271 months

Saturday 27th March 2004
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Thanks for the website telecat, and thanks everyone for the comments.
Dont they caution motorists anymore? They really pi$$ed me off today.

john robson

370 posts

295 months

Saturday 27th March 2004
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The clamp down on plates is down to several things Ist the DVLA are fed up of people abusing the system and making names out of plates by misrepresenting numbers and letters 2nd with the increased use of ANPR and other such systems we need a standard format ie size, font and spacing, don't forget the primary function of the reg plate is to identify the car easily and quickly. Sorry to come across a bit on top but I personally think the British registration system is a great part of our motoring history and should remain as such, stick to the rules and that way it won't get spoiled for the others. You are quite right the Police have got better things to do with our time, its a pitty we have to waste it telling inteligent people what they already know in the first place.

cazzo

15,355 posts

285 months

Sunday 28th March 2004
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john robson said:
the DVLA are fed up of people abusing the system and making names out of plates by misrepresenting numbers and letters


So why do the DVLA sell, (at extortionate prices) number plates that 'encourage' people to do just that

mike s

2,919 posts

267 months

Sunday 28th March 2004
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cazzo said:

john robson said:
the DVLA are fed up of people abusing the system and making names out of plates by misrepresenting numbers and letters



So why do the DVLA sell, (at extortionate prices) number plates that 'encourage' people to do just that


Kerkinggggggggg

gone

6,649 posts

281 months

Sunday 28th March 2004
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The Police cannot 'Relax' laws as such. That is down to Parliament!

If your number plate looks (in character size and spacings not the exact copy of the next one you see driving down the road ) like a number plate on a Police vehicle/Ambulance/Fire engine, then you should not have any problems. Forget about dates of made before. If it looks mucked around with, it will attract a penalty!

streaky

19,311 posts

267 months

Sunday 28th March 2004
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gone said:
The Police cannot 'Relax' laws as such. That is down to Parliament!

If your number plate looks (in character size and spacings not the exact copy of the next one you see driving down the road ) like a number plate on a Police vehicle/Ambulance/Fire engine, then you should not have any problems. Forget about dates of made before. If it looks mucked around with, it will attract a penalty!
If the plate(s) conform to C&U regs in force at the time of manufacture (of the vehicle or the plateif it post-dates vehicle manufacture) then it is legal.

andygo

7,197 posts

273 months

Sunday 28th March 2004
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I have a 6 digit number plate (eg 123 ABC) on the front of my Elise.

A friend made up the plates with no postcode on. I then cut down the spare space at the sides of the digits to make the plate smaller.

As far as I can understand, as long as there is 1/2" of plate surrounding the digits then its legal. And on the issue of no postcode, well, it's an old plate made before the laws came out ossifer.

kojak69

Original Poster:

4,546 posts

271 months

Sunday 28th March 2004
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gone said:
The Police cannot 'Relax' laws as such. That is down to Parliament!


I appreciate that. I was told from someone in the force when I got the car, and also read on here somewhere, that its the rear plate that they are more concerned with, and that has to conform to current legistlation.
At one time, bikes used to have front plates, but now they dont, and this was used as an example.
At the end of the day, its down to the patrol car that pulled me up. I rest my case.

streaky

19,311 posts

267 months

Sunday 28th March 2004
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kojak69 said:

gone said:
The Police cannot 'Relax' laws as such. That is down to Parliament!



I appreciate that. I was told from someone in the force when I got the car, and also read on here somewhere, that its the rear plate that they are more concerned with, and that has to conform to current legistlation.
CrAp! If this were the case, then all vehicles registered before 1 January 1973 would have to be retrofitted with reflective plates.

See: www.dvla.gov.uk/vehicles/regmarks/reg_marks_current_requirements.htm for DVLA's current requirements - Streaky

Snakes

614 posts

271 months

Sunday 28th March 2004
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streaky said:

CrAp! If this were the case, then all vehicles registered before 1 January 1973 would have to be retrofitted with reflective plates.

See: www.dvla.gov.uk/vehicles/regmarks/reg_marks_current_requirements.htm</a></a></a> for DVLA's current requirements - Streaky


Getting back to the subject of the topic, I can see nothing here about the overall size of the plate, just the margins - unless I missed it?

Snakes

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john robson

370 posts

295 months

Sunday 28th March 2004
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Cazzo sorry but your facts are a bit out DVLA would price say A1 BOB at a reasonably hig price due to its obvious appeal but A113 OBB would not have even been sold but it could and probably is if it has been issued be 'cocked' up to read A1 BOBB it then usually gets sold by a reg plate dealer who invariably advertises it in its misrepresented form. Look carefully at what DVLA actually advertise, they do not show cocked uo plates, what is wrong with using your imagination anyway if you want for example 'DAVES' on your plate does it really matter if it is shown correctly as 'D4 VES' most people can figure it out

swindorski46

1,017 posts

301 months

Sunday 28th March 2004
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john robson said:
Cazzo sorry but your facts are a bit out.... Look carefully at what DVLA actually advertise, they do not show cocked uo plates


Did DVLA not recently auction B347 LES for an extortionate amount because it looked like Beatles?

Ok so the plate wasn't "cocked up" but surely that's asking for it?

g_attrill

8,496 posts

264 months

Sunday 28th March 2004
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Regarding name/place of manufacture - if it is there then it needs to be in the correct place, but you DON'T need to have one, even on new vehicles.

The name/place only needs to be on plates which are SOLD - either directly or put on cars which are sold to the public. If the cars are for fleet/business use and the plates are made in-house then there is no need.

Because only the SELLER of the plates can be prosecuted for not including them they would have to find out who made them for it to be a problem, and (AFAIK) you don't have to tell the police where they came from.

Gareth