We're all saved! Free petrol for all!

[Or888t]

This man has changed the world, and should be given a honorary pistonhead's award!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGGabrorRS8&fea...


Mods this is way above the usual link to youtube, please don't move it.


Should f posted last night it's gone from 30,000 views to 300,000 overnight. Please don't be a repost

[FreeLitres]

I like the idea but how much energy does it take to heat the plastic and convert it to oil?

I imagine this is no miracle solution unfortunately.

[Hedders]

FreeLitres said:

I imagine this is no miracle solution unfortunately.

And if it is, it will never make it to the market.

[Or888t]

Well at least-i years to come- when oil does run out, we can make some more out of all the plastic we have left in land fill!

Edited by Or888t on Saturday 28th August 13:19

[Deluded]

Not quite the same but when he's stuffing the rubbish into the machine, it reminds me of this :



If it works as they say it does, that could be one of the most important inventions of the century. I don't think the oil companies will be happy though.

[alsem]

So if this machine is used in combination with a windmill, it can store it's energy in plastics, creating oil, that's how I read it.

So if the guy only added a little windmill to it, you can put it in your garden, put your plastic waste in it, and you have free petrol!

I wonder how much oil you can make out of a Toyota pious!

Actually the problem with plastic as a waste is not what to do with it, but how to get those billions of particles out of our oceans. this machine does not give an answer to that.

Edited by alsem on Saturday 28th August 13:26

[otolith]

No, it's not storing energy, it's just thermally decomposing and distilling plastics and collecting the resulting shorter chain hydrocarbons for use as fuel. It uses energy to convert plastics into more usable flammable substances.

I would imagine that the output from that machine is quite remarkably carcinogenic. Not that this is a problem in itself, just that it would need to be done on an industrial scale to be done safely. It's not a sensible thing to have in your house. Presumably you would feed the output from this into a more sophisticated fractional distillation system, perhaps cracking some of the heavier compounds and then blend it into suitable fuels.

[Or888t]

Deluded said:

Not quite the same but when he's stuffing the rubbish into the machine, it reminds me of this :



If it works as they say it does, that could be one of the most important inventions of the century. I don't think the oil companies will be happy though.

+1 the future is here!
Don't think oil companies are going to be happy at all, and if it came to market in some form, how would the government tax it? Would the oilenergy companies just buy into it and the distribute it in the same way?

[Martin_Bpool]

The video doesn't go into great detail. How do u remove the empty liquid waste plastic out of the machine, it can't all turn into a gass?

[otolith]

Most of it will, if you get it hot enough. What's left is tar.

[soad]

Good video, fair play to him.

2:56 - lights it up

[Or888t]

alsem said:

So if this machine is used in combination with a windmill, it can store it's energy in plastics, creating oil, that's how I read it.

So if the guy only added a little windmill to it, you can put it in your garden, put your plastic waste in it, and you have free petrol!

I wonder how much oil you can make out of a Toyota pious!

Actually the problem with plastic as a waste is not what to do with it, but how to get those billions of particles out of our oceans. this machine does not give an answer to that.

Edited by alsem on Saturday 28th August 13:26

Would be great wouldent it, one of these attached to a wind mill in you garden just constantly brewing petrol for you, fuel pump attached.

Maybe when/if all car's are electric or whatever else, it may become a reality when the internal combustion engine car becomes nothing but a hobby- in 50 years or so.

[Or888t]

Martin_Bpool said:

The video doesn't go into great detail. How do u remove the empty liquid waste plastic out of the machine, it can't all turn into a gass?

otolith said:

Most of it will, if you get it hot enough. What's left is tar.

I was thinking the same, hopefully though the tar should be much better to put in land full than huge quantities of plastic?

[otolith]

Could be quite hazardous waste compared to raw plastics - I guess it depends what goes in and how hot it gets. I would imagine that something like polythene could be converted pretty much completely and cleanly to short chain hydrocarbons, but a mixture including PVC, etc could be pretty nasty.

[Sideways Tim]

Or888t said:

Martin_Bpool said:

The video doesn't go into great detail. How do u remove the empty liquid waste plastic out of the machine, it can't all turn into a gass?

otolith said:

Most of it will, if you get it hot enough. What's left is tar.

I was thinking the same, hopefully though the tar should be much better to put in land full than huge quantities of plastic?

It's a win win in my book - free petrol and loads of tar to fix all the pot holes. Awesome.

If only it was reality.

[dilbert]

Ahem.

Whilst I would be the first to accept that there is too much plastic in the world, if oil is going to run out, then we should really not be using plastics as fuel. Somehow we should be working out how much plastic we need. Then we should recycle that plastic again and again rather than putting it in landfill.

Certainly this technology is useful, because it can take those plastics that are beyond recycling, and turn them back into the fuel that they once could have been.

It is interesting though. When the oil runs out, what will we package our food in? What will our TV's be made of? It's not just about energy and fuel. It's everything.

[Carpie]

I wonder what the possibilities are of building a larger version of this, and using a geothermal heat source.

[Or888t]

dilbert said:

Ahem.

Whilst I would be the first to accept that there is too much plastic in the world, if oil is going to run out, then we should really not be using plastics as fuel. Somehow we should be working out how much plastic we need. Then we should recycle that plastic again and again rather than putting it in landfill.

Certainly this technology is useful, because it can take those plastics that are beyond recycling, and turn them back into the fuel that they once could have been.

It is interesting though. When the oil runs out, what will we package our food in? What will our TV's be made of? It's not just about energy and fuel. It's everything.

Anyone seen the documentary's "the day the oil ran out"-discovery channel.
And the one i just found on youtube, "if the oil ran out"-bbc?

Carpie said:

I wonder what the possibilities are of building a larger version of this, and using a geothermal heat source.

Now we're talking.
But if oil companies harnessed it would we see a lowering in prices due to increased supply?

[carl_w]

dilbert said:

It is interesting though. When the oil runs out, what will we package our food in? What will our TV's be made of? It's not just about energy and fuel. It's everything.

It's not just the casings for things though. Plastic has been available all the time we've had transistors and the Integrated CIrcuit. What will chip casings be made of? What about PCBs? The only non-conductive thing I can think of is wood, or some sort of ceramic, the latter of which I guess would be expensive.

[dilbert]

carl_w said:

dilbert said:

It is interesting though. When the oil runs out, what will we package our food in? What will our TV's be made of? It's not just about energy and fuel. It's everything.

It's not just the casings for things though. Plastic has been available all the time we've had transistors and the Integrated CIrcuit. What will chip casings be made of? What about PCBs? The only non-conductive thing I can think of is wood, or some sort of ceramic, the latter of which I guess would be expensive.

Ay, up!

Chip casings are commonly ceramic, as I'm sure you're aware.

A change, as speeds have gone up, is that semiconductor packages increasingly use metal slugs for thermal reasons. I'd say that a common way to solve the overall problem would be to use complete aluminium packages.

Al is highly recyclable, like most metals.

As oil runs out, paints become more difficult to make. The good thing about aluminium, is that it can be colour anodised.

I'd say a bigger problem is circuit boards, and in particular the resin from which they are made. Ceramic substrates are common for microwave communications technology and could replace circuit boards, but things would be way more difficult for making complex multilayer boards.

I guess semiconductor devices would become bigger and more application specific. Boards would become simpler and less important. To a certain degree, that's already happening, but not because of oil.

There's no doubt in my mind though. Oil running out has massive implications for almost all product design beyond the steam engine.

Edited by dilbert on Saturday 28th August 14:29