Return to Ground Effect Turbo F1?
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86341
A 1.6 litre 4 cylinder though? Would much rather the 1.5 V6's, but I do like the idea of ground effect
A 1.6 litre 4 cylinder though? Would much rather the 1.5 V6's, but I do like the idea of ground effect
dpbird90 said:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86341
A 1.6 litre 4 cylinder though? Would much rather the 1.5 V6's, but I do like the idea of ground effect
The BMW (also tagged as a Megatron) and the Hart engine were in-line 4cyl when used in the past turbo era.A 1.6 litre 4 cylinder though? Would much rather the 1.5 V6's, but I do like the idea of ground effect
The Renault, Ferrari, TAG and Honda's were V6. Amazingly Alfa Romeo built a turbo charged 1.5ltr V8.
FourWheelDrift said:
So 1.6ltr 4cyl turbos.
I wonder if any team are talking to Daihatsu
That would be 3-cylinders if their talking to Daihatsu.I wonder if any team are talking to Daihatsu
Edited by FourWheelDrift on Friday 3rd September 19:51
The way things are going with the restrictions in F1, they'll be running these in a few years...
Sooner rather than later, F3 cars will have more power than F1.
F1 should be BIG power, requiring drivers with BIG balls to drive them to their limit, and NO driver aids, all manual H-pattern gearboxes, no power steering, three pedals - clutch, whoa!, and LOUD.
1600 turbos. Pah!
Give them 3.0 V8's V10's V12's, but ONLY 150L of fuel for the race. That's 50L less than now. THAT my friends will drive technology forwards with economy in mind. Then the next year, ONLY 130L for the race.
thunderbelmont said:
Sooner rather than later, F3 cars will have more power than F1.
F1 should be BIG power, requiring drivers with BIG balls to drive them to their limit, and NO driver aids, all manual H-pattern gearboxes, no power steering, three pedals - clutch, whoa!, and LOUD.
This would produce really entertaining racing but removes F1 as a technical tour de force. The car development has always been part of the interest for me but the super strict rules now have been reducing the engineer's room for creativity for some time.F1 should be BIG power, requiring drivers with BIG balls to drive them to their limit, and NO driver aids, all manual H-pattern gearboxes, no power steering, three pedals - clutch, whoa!, and LOUD.
thunderbelmont said:
1600 turbos. Pah!
Give them 3.0 V8's V10's V12's, but ONLY 150L of fuel for the race. That's 50L less than now. THAT my friends will drive technology forwards with economy in mind. Then the next year, ONLY 130L for the race.
I agree about the fuel limit but would prefer an "energy" limit, could be chemical, electrical, atomic or even a big rubber band. It might be desirable to allow more KJ for "green" fuels. Other than that I'd just need the cars to pass safety tests and let the engineers rip.Give them 3.0 V8's V10's V12's, but ONLY 150L of fuel for the race. That's 50L less than now. THAT my friends will drive technology forwards with economy in mind. Then the next year, ONLY 130L for the race.
The main technical restriction I'd introduce would be to ban car to team radios; the only messages could be passed by approved pit board. This would make team orders harder. I'd leave the radios in so the race director could warn drivers about incidents or dangerous faults and receive feedback on track conditions.
thunderbelmont said:
Give them 3.0 V8's V10's V12's, but ONLY 150L of fuel for the race. That's 50L less than now. THAT my friends will drive technology forwards with economy in mind. Then the next year, ONLY 130L for the race.
I've mentioned fuel limits before to improve efficiency that could move into road cars before.But with open cylinder rules I think the capacity would have to be different for each.
Something like this.
3ltr V12 - 190ltrs of fuel limit
3.2ltr V10 - 170ltrs of fuel limit
3.4ltr V8 - 150ltrs of fuel limit
3.6ltr V6 - 130ltrs of fuel limit
Gaz. said:
I'd just be happy for just two rules:
The car must be able to drive between two posts 7 feet apart.
The car must pass current safety regulations.
Just crack on chaps...
Yep, with you on that one. Let the racers race!!The car must be able to drive between two posts 7 feet apart.
The car must pass current safety regulations.
Just crack on chaps...
Sadly, after reading the press about the hoo-haa between the sponsors and Ecclestone, it's become all about the money and priority to the moving billboards being shown to as many folk as possible.
It's hard to consider 24 odd 'top of the tree' racers being given a whole lot of slack without compromising the money..
Gaz. said:
I'd just be happy for just two rules:
The car must be able to drive between two posts 7 feet apart.
The car must pass current safety regulations.
Just crack on chaps...
I can understand some of the rules for keeping the speeds down and the cars recognisable as cars. There's a rule banning drivers from lying down and using mirrors or video screens to drive for example.The car must be able to drive between two posts 7 feet apart.
The car must pass current safety regulations.
Just crack on chaps...
Strict fuel limits would keep the speeds down a little, so would an all weather tyre as used on 1960s cars.
Conversely the cars of today all look far too similar and freedom to innovate would make for a more interesting grid.
Edited to say the 7 foot rule would be easily enforced by making the pit lane entrance and exit 7 foot wide.
Edited by CDP on Friday 3rd September 22:17
Gaz. said:
I'd just be happy for just two rules:
The car must be able to drive between two posts 7 feet apart.
The car must pass current safety regulations.
Just crack on chaps...
But current safety regulations would be insufficient if a car could exceed 300 mph is a straight line.The car must be able to drive between two posts 7 feet apart.
The car must pass current safety regulations.
Just crack on chaps...
Keeping current safety regulations would actually dicate how fast a car can go.
Awesome. Finally an embrace of ground-effect. It's never really gone away anyway. The late 80's cars used to use ultra-low ride height and the front wings for GE.
They need to have single-plane front and rear wings for it to work diffuser effect to really be paramount IMO - and that's to the point of cars following closely in the corners.
This would be all in LH favour. He'll eat competitors alive if he can get close... not that he doesn't anyway!
With merely 650Bhp instead of the 1000Bhp they need, and new tyre technology, here's hoping we see the return of 4-wheel drift of the late-70's/early 80's. That would be sweet as f
k to watch! Even more so to see who can master it. 
They need to have single-plane front and rear wings for it to work diffuser effect to really be paramount IMO - and that's to the point of cars following closely in the corners.
This would be all in LH favour. He'll eat competitors alive if he can get close... not that he doesn't anyway!
With merely 650Bhp instead of the 1000Bhp they need, and new tyre technology, here's hoping we see the return of 4-wheel drift of the late-70's/early 80's. That would be sweet as f
k to watch! Even more so to see who can master it. Edited by mattikake on Saturday 4th September 00:17
CDP said:
This would produce really entertaining racing but removes F1 as a technical tour de force. The car development has always been part of the interest for me but the super strict rules now have been reducing the engineer's room for creativity for some time.
What part of the rules have your heard that have become more restrictive? F1 has sadly lost its technical tour de force long ago. Hybrids are far more advanced on road cars, The v8 engine guzzle gas and have been frozen in development since 07. Hardly cutting edge! Aero is the only cutting edge stuff really.I think you have it the wrong war around. This would actually bring back some of F1 room for creativity. If they dont freeze the engines and just apply a fuel limit then we might see advances filtering down to the road cars not the other way around.
Fire99 said:
Mini1275 said:
Hmmmm, doesn't ground effect mean no overtaking for another season?.
Not necessarily. It will reduce the 'dirty air' issues the cars currently have when following close enough to overtake. But overall this sounds like a sanitised 'F1 lite' step.Gilles Villeneuve had the right idea, 1000bhp, skinny slick tyres, little aero grip.
That is the only way to promote overtaking;- do away with wings and to make it entertaining give them more power than grip (no coincidence wet races are more interesting).
Am i the only one who thinks fk the little teams? This is the pinnacle of motorsports, the top rung of the ladder and should not be compramised. If the smaller teams cannot afford to compete then perhaps they shouldn't compete?
I want to see the very best drivers in the very height of car design and engineering.
Otherwise, just give them all saxos with bean can exhausts and let them parp around the track all day long.
k the little teams? This is the pinnacle of motorsports, the top rung of the ladder and should not be compramised. If the smaller teams cannot afford to compete then perhaps they shouldn't compete?I want to see the very best drivers in the very height of car design and engineering.
Otherwise, just give them all saxos with bean can exhausts and let them parp around the track all day long.
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